[Partnerships] due date change of cp a/n assessment

Mon Feb 25 08:27:43 EST 2002

Hi all,
I think looking around the community to see who else is doing planning is
great.  In Lynn, we're working with the CAP agency and School Linked
Program.  What other groups are you working with?
I'm interested in learning how parterships are keeping their partners
involved?  Do you have activities/events outside of your partnership
meetings?  Do you have formal committees? Is the leadership of the
partnership shared?  If yes, how did that happen?  What's the hottest topic
for your partnership?  Do you have "worker bees" or decision makers
involved?  How does that  impact what your group is doing?
Looking forward to hearing about this.
Anne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Irene Chalek" <ichalek at necc.mass.edu>
To: "Alan Brickman" <abrick at channel1.com>; <aserino at mindspring.com>;
<cgannon at qcc.mass.edu>; <partnerships at lists.literacytent.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Partnerships] due date change of cp a/n assessment


> Good morning
>
> I am thoroughly enjoying this lively and honest discussion.  I agree
> that the timeframe is proscriptive and needs to be adjusted based on
> characteristics of the community.  However,I never felt discouraged
> from working with other agencies.  When we did our assessment in 1999,
> we were encouraged to initially call together reps from all
> constituencies (residents,education, housing, welfare, fam literacy
> social service,poiticians, health, mental health,cbo's).  We gathered
> anecdotal info and verifiable stats (from participants) that gave us
> an accurate picture of the health and resources of the community.  Our
> survey and focus groups, supported what we already new. We were
> fortunate that Amesbury stakeholders welcomed the opportunity to
> participate.
>
> Hi Anne. Feel better Alan.
> Have a good weekend.
>
> Irene
> Gone shopping!
>
>
>
> > Here, here. In fall River, the School Libnked Services community
> planning
> > process (which has very minimal requirements) has merged with the
> adult
> > literacy community planning proces. A big benefit to both.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <aserino at mindspring.com>
> > To: <abrick at channel1.com>; <aserino at mindspring.com>;
> <cgannon at qcc.mass.edu>;
> > <partnerships at lists.literacytent.org>
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 5:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: Re: Re: [Partnerships] due date change of cp a/n
> assessment
> >
> >
> > > O.K., I agree and I would like to add that we may be missing out on
> > opportunities to leverage other resources for community planning and
> > coalition building, if the process is too prescriptive.  For
> example, every
> > Community Action Program is required to do communtiy planning every
> three
> > years.  It would be great to coordinate with them and combine our
> talents.
> > > Perhaps, there are other groups in the community (School Links
> Programs,
> > Health Centers, Housing Coalitions) that do some form of community
> planning
> > that we could work with.  If we had enough flexibility, we would be
> in a
> > better position to maximize our resources and the community's
> resources.
> > >
> > > Anne
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear that you are fighting a cold.
> > > I'm fine.
> > >
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: Alan Brickman abrick at channel1.com
> > > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:42:26 -0500
> > > To: aserino at mindspring.com, cgannon at qcc.mass.edu,
> > partnerships at lists.literacytent.org
> > > Subject: Re: Re: [Partnerships] due date change of cp a/n
> assessment
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Anne:
> > >
> > > See what happens when you respond to these list serv questions
> when you
> > > fighting a cold and feeling grouchy....? There are several ways in
> which
> > the
> > > "cookie cutter" dynamic in terms of the DOE requirements doesn't
> work for
> > > me.  The calendar, as you say, will be different in different
> communities.
> > > Also, the human resources: communities with only one funded
> literacy
> > program
> > > have only a limited number of people who can work on this, and
> those
> > > communities sometime find it difficult to bring in other agencies
> and
> > > individuals who don't have the DOE requirement and have their own
> worries
> > > (especially now with the funding situation as it is). Also, if you
> > believe,
> > > as I do, that a comprehensive "PhD-level" assessment of community
> assets
> > and
> > > needs is beyond the capacity of the programs (and certainly way
> beyond
> > what
> > > is possible with the funding that has been made available for this
> > process),
> > > then communities need to pick their shots in terms of the data
> gathering,
> > > and should, for example, identify assets that are relevant to
> successfully
> > > implementing specific initiatives or plans that the partnership can
> > > preliminarily identify as relevant to the communtiy's needs.  Some
> > > communities should focus their assets assessment on social service
> > > resources, others on employment training and job placement
> resources,
> > others
> > > on available classroom space or computer labs, others on vehicles
> for
> > > communication and community outreach, ..., eveyone can't do
> everything.
> > > Remember, they also have to get census data, labor market data,
> learner
> > > focus groups, key informant interviews, etc. for the needs
> assessment part
> > > of the process. The DOE requirements, and all the communication
> from DOE
> > on
> > > this, does not allow for community uniqueness in designing and
> > implementing
> > > the assets and needs assessment process. People need to be allowed
> to do
> > > what is meaningful and feasible in the context of their unique
> community
> > > circumstances.
> > >
> > > Am I ranting?
> > >
> > > BTW: How are you?
> > >
> > > -- Alan
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <aserino at mindspring.com>
> > > To: <abrick at channel1.com>; <cgannon at qcc.mass.edu>;
> > > <partnerships at lists.literacytent.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 4:22 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Re: [Partnerships] due date change of cp a/n
> assessment
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Alan,
> > > > Don't hold back - tell us what you really think.  Can you talk a
> little
> > > bit more about why your groups think that the needs assessment is
> > frivolous?
> > > > Do you think that part of the problem is that the DOE is using
> the same
> > > schedule for every community - even though the capacity to do
> community
> > > planning and the "timing" of doing the steps in different
> communities
> > might
> > > be very different.  Maybe this is an opportunity for communities
> to take
> > > more control of the process and invent their own "calendar" of
> steps.
> > > > Anne Serino
> > > >
> > > > Original Message:
> > > > -----------------
> > > > From: Alan Brickman abrick at channel1.com
> > > > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:11:26 -0500
> > > > To: CGannon at qcc.mass.edu, partnerships at lists.literacytent.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Partnerships] due date change of cp a/n assessment
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Cathy:
> > > >
> > > > I am working with two groups on their community assessment. The
> > > postponement
> > > > reinforces for people that this is basically a frivolous
> > > > exercise/funder-hoop-to-jump-through that is unconnected to the
> > > development
> > > > of the partnership. They'll do it, but give it a lesser priority
> for
> > now,
> > > > and the pushed back due date just means that people can focus on
> other
> > > > things for a while. There are not sufficient resources to
> conduct the
> > > > assessment the way that DOE describes it, anyway. May 2003 is so
> far
> > into
> > > > the 5 year funding cycle, that by the time the data will be
> available to
> > > > support the strategic planning at the community level, the
> funding cycle
> > > > will be over.  Another example of how community planning was a
> wonderful
> > > > idea that was ruined in the way it was implemented.
> > > >
> > > > -- Alan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Cathy Gannon <CGannon at qcc.mass.edu>
> > > > To: <partnerships at lists.literacytent.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 2:33 PM
> > > > Subject: [Partnerships] due date change of cp a/n assessment
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Community Planning Coordinators et al,   I am wondering
> what effect
> > > the
> > > > > postponement of the community planning assessment of assets
> and needs
> > > has
> > > > > had upon the work of your partnership.    Are you progressing
> as you
> > had
> > > > > originally planned?  How have you changed your assessment plan
> because
> > > of
> > > > > the extra time available?  Has everything gone on the back
> burner?
> > Does
> > > > the
> > > > > extra time necessarily mean a better assessment ?
> > > > >
> > > > > We (all of us on this list!) are interested in how you are
> handling
> > > this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cathy Gannon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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