[NLA] WIA and TANF

[Lloyd David]

I have read this discussion with much interest. I feel that often the adult student and the adult educator have different views concerning the reason for and/or  importance of education. The student ultimately wants a better life which usually translates into earning more money. Students know that more education translates into better jobs and more money. The teacher wants to create a better life. In a well constructed workplace education program there is usually a mix so that the employer's goals, the student's personal goals, and the teacher's desires come together. 
Lloyd David
CEI
Continuing Education Institute
108 Water Street
Watertown, MA 02472
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    From: Tricia Donovan <triciad at crocker.com>
    To: nla at lists.literacytent.org <nla at lists.literacytent.org>
    Date: Monday, May 20, 2002 2:29 PM
    Subject: Re: [NLA] WIA and TANF
    
    
    Art -
    Those of us interested in education as opposed to training (especially training for standardized tests) face challenges from a) learners who want to take the test and get to work, therefore wanting to minimize class/learning time and b) federal funding sources that push work over education. 
    Tricia Donovan
    
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    From: Art LaChance <arthur at ellijay.com>
    To: nla at lists.literacytent.org
    Subject: Re: [NLA] WIA and TANF
    Date: Mon, May 20, 2002, 10:05 PM
    
    
    
        Tricia,
        Please elaborate a little on your last sentence re: educators facing challenges from two directions.
        
        Thanks,
        
        art
        
        Tricia Donovan wrote:
        
            Jay -
            Just a quick note about your statement that " 'work first' comes from the
            business community". Sometimes the desire for work first emanates from the
            learners themselves who simply aren't making it on welfare and/or are tired
            of the nosey nature of welfare bureaucracies. This means educators face
            challenges to "education first" from two directions.
            Tricia Donovan
            TERC
            
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                From: JCretella at aol.com <mailto:JCretella at aol.com> 
                To: nla at lists.literacytent.org <mailto:nla at lists.literacytent.org> 
                Subject: Re: [NLA] WIA and TANF
                Date: Sat, May 18, 2002, 10:05 AM
                
                
            
            
                Christy, Thank you for clarifying the welfare discussion based on your
                attendance at the committee hearng. The "educate first...then work" attitude
                has  always been the position of advocates  in the field . The pressure to
                "work first" comes from the business community which often does not want to
                recognize the "basic education" issue. Some simply do not understand the
                issues/ others in business simply don't want to face the issues because of
                their $$ which might be needed.
                I am concerned about how adult education is being considered by this
                administration. I don't think dismanteling is going on but rather a radical
                reorganization of structure and process. It is now that we have to be more
                vigilant and involved with our contacts, fax, letters and e-mails...
                Just a personal opinion about the suggestion to rename the adult education
                legislation in honor of the Kennedy clan...not a good idea. They may have
                contributed bu
                t there are others more worthy of that kind of
                recognition...e.g. Goodling, Sawyer to name two...The other consideration
                would be the added political  issue which would probably be raised...The
                Congress will spend too much time arguing the name rather than the
                content...And this come from a John Kennedy admirerer . I was one of the
                first Peace Corps volunteers (just so I won't be accused of playing politics).
                We need to keep the pressure on , despite our frustrations, concerns and
                seeming lack of success...
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