[NLA] Volunteers and credentials

Fri Jul 5 10:42:51 EDT 2002

Carey:

the list makes sense to me. however, for future purposes, turning such a list 
into an official certification is scary. Especially, since, as I argued 
before, institutionalized entitlements do not guarantee knowledge. How then 
can a field procure experts w/o relying on entitlements. I think that the 
private sector has the answer to this question. Potential teachers can be 
interviewed  by peers with knowledge for a position. this is how we do it in 
our program. We have expectation of knowledge, experience and potential that  
candidates should have. We interview them and if we feel that they are 
qualified, we hire them. In general, we do not hire teachers with 
certifications from texas. Many think that they know everything and they do 
not want to change. We do hire a lot of teacher education students, and 
college students in other fields. They are willing to learn and supplement 
their formal training with what we teach them. When they graduate, they 
become much better teachers. We also hire college students that after working 
in our program they choose to become educators themselves. 

Andres 

In a message dated 7/5/2002 8:22:07 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
Carey_Reid at jsi.com writes: 
> The framers of the Massachusetts ABE teacher's license, which included a
> great deal of field input,  struggled with many of the issues that have
> come up in this discussion thread.  Here are a few of the requirements
> that were put in place to assure, hopefully, that real, ABE-relevant
> knowledge and skills were being acquired by license seekers. This is a
> voluntary license, and one general license without specializations.
> 
> * knowledge of math through college algebra
> * knowledge of second language acquisition 
> * knowledege of learning disabilities
> * knowledge of adult learning theory and adult development theory
> * understanding of connections between ind. learner needs, curriculum,
> and teaching activities
> * ability to apply knowledge/theory to practice
> * ability to teach in a variety of ways
> * direct observation of teaching in the classroom by an ABE-experienced
> observer
> 
> Source regulations, including subject matter and professional
> standards, and other relevant documents can be viewed on MassDOE's
> website at http://www.doe.mass.edu/Educators/abe.html
> 
> 
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> 
> Carey Reid
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> >>>AndresMuro at aol.com 7/4/02 7:32:50 AM >>>
> Just for the record, I don't have a single official entitlement that 
> credentials me to administer or teach at an adult education program or
> the 
> K-12 system. I have this joke that I came up with a few years ago. It
> is 
> based on Ivan Illich. Ivan Illich is a philosopher who argued that
> schools  
> didn't give you knowledge. Instead they gave you entitlements in the
> form of 
> credentials to show that you possess a certain kind of knowledge.
> however,  
> the relationship between knowledge and the credential was non existent.
> 
> Knowledge is simply the indoctrination into a series of socialization's
> that 
> you go through. . If you are willing to get indoctrinated you will be
> given, 
> through a credential, the entitlement to claim that you know. Illich
> wrote a 
> book called Deschooling Society. 
> 
> Now, back to the joke. I founded the Ivan Illich Academy for 
> Deinstitutionalized Self-Entitlements. through this academy, I gave
> myself an 
> AS Ph.D. SA stands for self-appointed, but I do not have to disclose
> that. In 
> my academy any person can give himself or herself an entitlement of
> their 
> choice w/o joining an institution (there is a small fee, of course ;-)
> .
> 
> A few years back my wife designed a diploma for my SA Ph.D. She
> invented a 
> university and signed the diploma with Che Guevara, Sub Comandante
> Marcos and 
> George Bush. I though that it was so funny that I hanged the diploma in
> my 
> office. The amazing thing is that a lot of people see it and compliment
> me on 
> my Ph.D. I explain to them that it is a joke and they laugh. However, I
> 
> realized that a lot of people that come to my office and see my SA Ph.D
> may 
> think that I am a doctor.
> 
> So, how about this for a credentialing system. Send me a Penny and you
> have 
> entitled yourself to receive any SA degree from the Ivan Illich
> academy. We 
> have financial aid. If you  entitle yourself  to Financial Aid, simply
> don't 
> send the Penny.
> 
> Andres  
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 7/4/2002 4:43:33 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
> eileeneckert at hotmail.com writes: 
> >On credentialing: College faculty are not credentialed as such
> (though some 
> >are hired with credentials from the discipline--e.g., for faculty of
> social 
> >
> >work, an LCSW is required), and they enjoy the identity of being a
> "field". 
> >
> >What is the relationship between credentialing and
> professionalization or 
> >legitimacy as a field? Is there a clear relationship? And is it
> persuasive 
> >enough to give up local, program-level control and flexibility in
> staffing?
> >
> >
> 
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