[Bestplus] Clarification, please
Stone, Betty
BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us
Tue Oct 25 16:24:21 EDT 2005
Follow-up comment in pink.
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From: iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us [mailto:iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us]
Sent: Tue 10/25/2005 4:06 PM
To: Stone, Betty; dmccormack at hcc.mass.edu; l.haller at jpccalp.org; aespindo at bristol.mass.edu; iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us; Carey_Reid at worlded.org; JaneS at doe.mass.edu; Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
Subject: RE: [Bestplus] Clarification, please
Yes, Betty, you make an interesting point about the holistic aspect of the Communication score--that we're looking for more than correct pronouns or clearly pronounced words. I guess we should also ask ourselves how well we're getting the overall meaning that the student wants to convey. (That's what you're saying, right?) Actually what I mean is that even though we do eventually get an eventual clear meaning from the response, if there were confusing parts, lack of clarity (need to fill in) along the way, the score would be a 2, rather than a 3, because it wasn't all clear. That's my thought.
At the end, you say, " Oh, yes I understand her perfectly." But really, it might be that NOW I understand her...and in an effort to really consider the rubric for communication, I think those cases merit a 2, not a 3. More to come, and as Cindy would say, "It will all work out in the end." bjs.
Anyway, I'll be at Network tomorrow (not Thursday), and it would be great to hook up with other BEST Plussers and talk about some of things left hanging at the refresher. I'll be staying awhile for the reception--or maybe we can find some time during the day.
May there not be too much snow . . .
Iris
Iris L. Broudy
ESOL Instructor/Programs Dept.
Hampden County Sheriff's Department
627 Randall Road
Ludlow, MA 01056
(413) 547-8000 ext. 2468
Fax: (413) 583-3099
iris.broudy at sdh.state.ma.us
-----Original Message-----
From: Stone, Betty [mailto:BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us]
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:07 PM
To: Dori McCormack; Lee Haller; Espindola, Annemarie; iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us; Carey_Reid at worlded.org; JaneS at doe.mass.edu; Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
Subject: RE: [Bestplus] Clarification, please
Thank you to everyone. Thanks, Iris, for your clear write up of the scenario.
Betty
P.S. As I was testing this morning (actually co-testing with another asessor), we began talking about Communication scores.
For the first time I articulated that in scoring that part, I want to be conscious of scoring the whole response, not simply the final result/answer, which might ultimately be perfectly clear and well communicated.
This is kind of a "duh" moment, but as a trainer and resource for my own assessment team, it's another way to help people be aware of the difference between a 3 and a 2 in Communication. The fuzziness or confusion along the way is what the "sporadically, generally, difficult" are all about, even if you finally do understand what the student means/says.
What do you think?
Perhaps I'm just in "thinking too much" mode again....These are all the interesting conversations that come out of a few co-tests as we (belatedly) get our testing in gear.
P.P.S.S. See many of you tomorrow at NETWORK, bjs
Betty J. Stone
ESOL Program Administrator
SCALE - Somerville Center for Adult Learning Experiences
167 Holland Street
Somerville, MA 02144
Tel: 617-625-6600, Ext. 6933
FAX: 617-623-8528
Email: bstone at K12.somerville.ma.us <mailto:bstone at K12.somerville.ma.us>
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From: Dori McCormack [mailto:dmccormack at hcc.mass.edu]
Sent: Tue 10/25/2005 12:35 PM
To: Lee Haller; Espindola, Annemarie; iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us; Carey_Reid at worlded.org; JaneS at doe.mass.edu; Stone, Betty; Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
Subject: Re: [Bestplus] Clarification, please
Me too.
Dori
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From: Lee Haller <mailto:l.haller at jpccalp.org>
To: Espindola, Annemarie <mailto:aespindo at bristol.mass.edu> ; iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us ; Carey_Reid at worlded.org ; JaneS at doe.mass.edu ; BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us ; Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Bestplus] Clarification, please
Iris's and Annemarie's understanding of this situation is also the same as my understanding. That's what I do.
Lee
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Espindola, Annemarie [mailto:aespindo at bristol.mass.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:46 AM
>To: iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us, Carey_Reid at worlded.org, JaneS at doe.mass.edu,
>BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us, Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] Clarification, please
>
>Hi Everyone,
>I think Iris has it right.
>That is my understanding of
>how those situations are to
>be handled.
>Annemarie
>
>
>Annemarie Espindola
>SABES Southeast
>Bristol Community College
>Room L-107
>Fall River, MA 02720
>(508) 678-2811 ext. 2782
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us [mailto:iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:34 AM
>To: Carey_Reid at worlded.org; JaneS at doe.mass.edu;
>BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us; Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] Clarification, please
>
>Hi all,
>
>My practice always has been that if the student repeats a word with
>questioning intonation to check understanding, and the word is correct,
>I simply nod or say yes, then wait for an answer (giving a 2 for LC if
>the answer is appropriate). It wasn't my understanding that the word
>needs to be repeated by the administrator.
>
>However, if the student repeats a word to check understanding and the
>word is not correct, then I repeat the whole question one time. Then,
>of course, the highest score that could be assigned for LC is a 1.
>
>What have you all been doing?
>
>Iris
>
>
>Iris L. Broudy
>ESOL Instructor/Programs Dept.
>Hampden County Sheriff's Department
>627 Randall Road
>Ludlow, MA 01056
>(413) 547-8000 ext. 2468
>Fax: (413) 583-3099
>iris.broudy at sdh.state.ma.us
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Carey Reid [mailto:Carey_Reid at worlded.org]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:36 AM
>To: JaneS at doe.mass.edu; BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us;
>Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] Clarification, please
>
>
>You know, Betty, I've never been comfortable with that word-check
>option. I think it kind of muddies the process, much like giving credit
>for communication if you happen to know non-English words a student uses
>in a reply. I'd vote for a hard-line policy of always repeating the
>entire question and assigning a score of 1 at best and O if the repeat
>doesn't help the student. Longer questions would be a drag to repeat,
>but I haven't run into all that many check-in situations to make the
>repeating a serious hardship. I think this approach would also bring us
>all in line with the TAGs, in the section you've noted. But, I'd be
>curious to know what others think.
>
>Carey.
>
>>>> "Stone, Betty" <BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us> 10/24/05 6:06 PM >>>
>To my BEST Friends,
>
>I was reviewing my notes from our 9/16 refresher and wanted to clarify
>this:
>
>Per the TAG and past practice, we repeat the entire question one time
>(without rephrasing or explaining) if the examinee doesn't understand,
>asks for repetition or clarification.
>
>I have in my notes that if the student does a self-check (e.g.
>..."employee?") we should repeat only the word. This also seems to make
>sense and follows what was past practice in administration, though I
>don't see that explicitly in the TAG.
>
>QUESTION: I noted that I should look at the new TAG for a change in
>administration--and I see only the section on the top of page II-3. That
>section doesn't refer to self-checks, only full repetitions.
>
>All that is different in the NEW TAG is an explicit instruction to enter
>0-0-0 after no response to a repeated question. Am I right on this? Just
>the explicit 0-0-0 is new, not any other change.
>
>Thanks, all,
>Betty
>
>Betty J. Stone
>ESOL Program Administrator
>SCALE - Somerville Center for Adult Learning Experiences
>167 Holland Street
>Somerville, MA 02144
>Tel: 617-625-6600, Ext. 6933
>FAX: 617-623-8528
>Email: bstone at K12.somerville.ma.us <mailto:bstone at K12.somerville.ma.us>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Stone, Betty
>Sent: Tue 10/18/2005 3:08 PM
>To: Espindola, Annemarie; Dori McCormack; Schwerdtfeger, Jane;
>Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] HELP!
>
>
>Nice hustle, everyone. It's great to see that there is reliable back-up
>in case of emergencies.
>Take care, and I hope everyone feels better soon.
>Betty
>
>Betty J. Stone
>ESOL Program Administrator
>SCALE - Somerville Center for Adult Learning Experiences
>167 Holland Street
>Somerville, MA 02144
>Tel: 617-625-6600, Ext. 6933
>FAX: 617-623-8528
>Email: bstone at K12.somerville.ma.us <mailto:bstone at K12.somerville.ma.us>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: bestplus-bounces at lists.literacytent.org on behalf of Espindola,
>Annemarie
>Sent: Tue 10/18/2005 2:31 PM
>To: Dori McCormack; Schwerdtfeger, Jane;
>Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] HELP!
>
>
>
>Great!
>
>Annemarie Espindola
>SABES Southeast
>Bristol Community College
>Room L-107
>Fall River, MA 02720
>(508) 678-2811 ext. 2782
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dori McCormack [mailto:dmccormack at hcc.mass.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:29 PM
>To: Espindola, Annemarie; Schwerdtfeger, Jane;
>Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: Re: [Bestplus] HELP!
>
>You're right, Annemarie. Ellen is doing the training (I guess
>Richard,
>in
>his drugged stupor, forgot to mention that to me). And Kevin O'Conner
>is
>able and willing to come in the afternoon to help her out.
>So, we're all set.
>
>Thanks everybody (especially Kevin)!
>
>Dori
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Espindola, Annemarie" <aespindo at bristol.mass.edu>
>To: "Dori McCormack" <dmccormack at hcc.mass.edu>; "Schwerdtfeger, Jane"
><JaneS at doe.mass.edu>; <Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:30 PM
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] HELP!
>
>
>Hi Dori,
>I was under the impression that Ellen Crevison was doing the training
>with him.
>She is terrific but in a training that size a second facilitator is
>needed. I'm not available
>But if someone else is, you'll find Ellen easy to work with.
>Annemarie
>
>Annemarie Espindola
>SABES Southeast
>Bristol Community College
>Room L-107
>Fall River, MA 02720
>(508) 678-2811 ext. 2782
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dori McCormack [mailto:dmccormack at hcc.mass.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:26 PM
>To: Schwerdtfeger, Jane; Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: [Bestplus] HELP!
>
>Hello BEST Plus Trainers,
>
>We're having a bit of a BEST Plus crisis and need your help ASAP.
>
>Richard Rakobane is supposed to give a BEST Plus training tomorrow
>(9-4:00)
>at UMASS Boston, BUT he is very sick (Nothing life-threatening, but
>something very painful and requiring mind-mushing pain-killers), and
>he
>cannot do the training.
>
>Is there anyone out there who could do it?
>
> Please get back to me ASAP if you can.
>
>Thank you!!!!
>
>Dori McCormack
>>
>
>
>
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