[Bestplus] Clarification, please
Stone, Betty
BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us
Tue Oct 25 14:07:21 EDT 2005
Thank you to everyone. Thanks, Iris, for your clear write up of the scenario.
Betty
P.S. As I was testing this morning (actually co-testing with another asessor), we began talking about Communication scores.
For the first time I articulated that in scoring that part, I want to be conscious of scoring the whole response, not simply the final result/answer, which might ultimately be perfectly clear and well communicated.
This is kind of a "duh" moment, but as a trainer and resource for my own assessment team, it's another way to help people be aware of the difference between a 3 and a 2 in Communication. The fuzziness or confusion along the way is what the "sporadically, generally, difficult" are all about, even if you finally do understand what the student means/says.
What do you think?
Perhaps I'm just in "thinking too much" mode again....These are all the interesting conversations that come out of a few co-tests as we (belatedly) get our testing in gear.
P.P.S.S. See many of you tomorrow at NETWORK, bjs
Betty J. Stone
ESOL Program Administrator
SCALE - Somerville Center for Adult Learning Experiences
167 Holland Street
Somerville, MA 02144
Tel: 617-625-6600, Ext. 6933
FAX: 617-623-8528
Email: bstone at K12.somerville.ma.us <mailto:bstone at K12.somerville.ma.us>
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From: Dori McCormack [mailto:dmccormack at hcc.mass.edu]
Sent: Tue 10/25/2005 12:35 PM
To: Lee Haller; Espindola, Annemarie; iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us; Carey_Reid at worlded.org; JaneS at doe.mass.edu; Stone, Betty; Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
Subject: Re: [Bestplus] Clarification, please
Me too.
Dori
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From: Lee Haller <mailto:l.haller at jpccalp.org>
To: Espindola, Annemarie <mailto:aespindo at bristol.mass.edu> ; iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us ; Carey_Reid at worlded.org ; JaneS at doe.mass.edu ; BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us ; Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Bestplus] Clarification, please
Iris's and Annemarie's understanding of this situation is also the same as my understanding. That's what I do.
Lee
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Espindola, Annemarie [mailto:aespindo at bristol.mass.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:46 AM
>To: iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us, Carey_Reid at worlded.org, JaneS at doe.mass.edu,
>BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us, Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] Clarification, please
>
>Hi Everyone,
>I think Iris has it right.
>That is my understanding of
>how those situations are to
>be handled.
>Annemarie
>
>
>Annemarie Espindola
>SABES Southeast
>Bristol Community College
>Room L-107
>Fall River, MA 02720
>(508) 678-2811 ext. 2782
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us [mailto:iris.broudy at SDH.state.ma.us]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:34 AM
>To: Carey_Reid at worlded.org; JaneS at doe.mass.edu;
>BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us; Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] Clarification, please
>
>Hi all,
>
>My practice always has been that if the student repeats a word with
>questioning intonation to check understanding, and the word is correct,
>I simply nod or say yes, then wait for an answer (giving a 2 for LC if
>the answer is appropriate). It wasn't my understanding that the word
>needs to be repeated by the administrator.
>
>However, if the student repeats a word to check understanding and the
>word is not correct, then I repeat the whole question one time. Then,
>of course, the highest score that could be assigned for LC is a 1.
>
>What have you all been doing?
>
>Iris
>
>
>Iris L. Broudy
>ESOL Instructor/Programs Dept.
>Hampden County Sheriff's Department
>627 Randall Road
>Ludlow, MA 01056
>(413) 547-8000 ext. 2468
>Fax: (413) 583-3099
>iris.broudy at sdh.state.ma.us
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Carey Reid [mailto:Carey_Reid at worlded.org]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:36 AM
>To: JaneS at doe.mass.edu; BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us;
>Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] Clarification, please
>
>
>You know, Betty, I've never been comfortable with that word-check
>option. I think it kind of muddies the process, much like giving credit
>for communication if you happen to know non-English words a student uses
>in a reply. I'd vote for a hard-line policy of always repeating the
>entire question and assigning a score of 1 at best and O if the repeat
>doesn't help the student. Longer questions would be a drag to repeat,
>but I haven't run into all that many check-in situations to make the
>repeating a serious hardship. I think this approach would also bring us
>all in line with the TAGs, in the section you've noted. But, I'd be
>curious to know what others think.
>
>Carey.
>
>>>> "Stone, Betty" <BStone at k12.somerville.ma.us> 10/24/05 6:06 PM >>>
>To my BEST Friends,
>
>I was reviewing my notes from our 9/16 refresher and wanted to clarify
>this:
>
>Per the TAG and past practice, we repeat the entire question one time
>(without rephrasing or explaining) if the examinee doesn't understand,
>asks for repetition or clarification.
>
>I have in my notes that if the student does a self-check (e.g.
>..."employee?") we should repeat only the word. This also seems to make
>sense and follows what was past practice in administration, though I
>don't see that explicitly in the TAG.
>
>QUESTION: I noted that I should look at the new TAG for a change in
>administration--and I see only the section on the top of page II-3. That
>section doesn't refer to self-checks, only full repetitions.
>
>All that is different in the NEW TAG is an explicit instruction to enter
>0-0-0 after no response to a repeated question. Am I right on this? Just
>the explicit 0-0-0 is new, not any other change.
>
>Thanks, all,
>Betty
>
>Betty J. Stone
>ESOL Program Administrator
>SCALE - Somerville Center for Adult Learning Experiences
>167 Holland Street
>Somerville, MA 02144
>Tel: 617-625-6600, Ext. 6933
>FAX: 617-623-8528
>Email: bstone at K12.somerville.ma.us <mailto:bstone at K12.somerville.ma.us>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Stone, Betty
>Sent: Tue 10/18/2005 3:08 PM
>To: Espindola, Annemarie; Dori McCormack; Schwerdtfeger, Jane;
>Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] HELP!
>
>
>Nice hustle, everyone. It's great to see that there is reliable back-up
>in case of emergencies.
>Take care, and I hope everyone feels better soon.
>Betty
>
>Betty J. Stone
>ESOL Program Administrator
>SCALE - Somerville Center for Adult Learning Experiences
>167 Holland Street
>Somerville, MA 02144
>Tel: 617-625-6600, Ext. 6933
>FAX: 617-623-8528
>Email: bstone at K12.somerville.ma.us <mailto:bstone at K12.somerville.ma.us>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: bestplus-bounces at lists.literacytent.org on behalf of Espindola,
>Annemarie
>Sent: Tue 10/18/2005 2:31 PM
>To: Dori McCormack; Schwerdtfeger, Jane;
>Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] HELP!
>
>
>
>Great!
>
>Annemarie Espindola
>SABES Southeast
>Bristol Community College
>Room L-107
>Fall River, MA 02720
>(508) 678-2811 ext. 2782
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dori McCormack [mailto:dmccormack at hcc.mass.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:29 PM
>To: Espindola, Annemarie; Schwerdtfeger, Jane;
>Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: Re: [Bestplus] HELP!
>
>You're right, Annemarie. Ellen is doing the training (I guess
>Richard,
>in
>his drugged stupor, forgot to mention that to me). And Kevin O'Conner
>is
>able and willing to come in the afternoon to help her out.
>So, we're all set.
>
>Thanks everybody (especially Kevin)!
>
>Dori
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Espindola, Annemarie" <aespindo at bristol.mass.edu>
>To: "Dori McCormack" <dmccormack at hcc.mass.edu>; "Schwerdtfeger, Jane"
><JaneS at doe.mass.edu>; <Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:30 PM
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] HELP!
>
>
>Hi Dori,
>I was under the impression that Ellen Crevison was doing the training
>with him.
>She is terrific but in a training that size a second facilitator is
>needed. I'm not available
>But if someone else is, you'll find Ellen easy to work with.
>Annemarie
>
>Annemarie Espindola
>SABES Southeast
>Bristol Community College
>Room L-107
>Fall River, MA 02720
>(508) 678-2811 ext. 2782
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dori McCormack [mailto:dmccormack at hcc.mass.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:26 PM
>To: Schwerdtfeger, Jane; Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: [Bestplus] HELP!
>
>Hello BEST Plus Trainers,
>
>We're having a bit of a BEST Plus crisis and need your help ASAP.
>
>Richard Rakobane is supposed to give a BEST Plus training tomorrow
>(9-4:00)
>at UMASS Boston, BUT he is very sick (Nothing life-threatening, but
>something very painful and requiring mind-mushing pain-killers), and
>he
>cannot do the training.
>
>Is there anyone out there who could do it?
>
> Please get back to me ASAP if you can.
>
>Thank you!!!!
>
>Dori McCormack
>>
>
>
>
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