[Bestplus] Scoring question

Wed Jul 7 17:00:00 EDT 2004

I'm with Janet and Dianne on this one.

>>> "Dianne Worth" <dianeworth at hotmail.com> 7/7/04 3:42:08 PM >>>

Hi all, I do the same as Janet with the Tell me about the Picture items.
Diane Worth

>From: "Fischer, Janet" <jfischer at necc.mass.edu> 
>To: "Betty Stone" <bjstone13 at yahoo.com>,"Brown, Teresa" <teresa at CambridgeMA.GOV>, <Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org> 
>Subject: RE: [Bestplus] Scoring question 
>Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:56:36 -0400 
> 
>Hi everyone! It IS great to have this means of communication and 
>checking in with each other. 
> 
>I believe I have also been scoring simple words, phrases, etc as a 1 for 
>complexity and a 3 for comprehension. As Dori pointed out, I listen for 
>how well I can understand the words, and if I can understand them, then 
>I feel like it is a 3. And, the prompt is "Tell me about this picture" 
>-- which leaves a very wide field for responses. It's not: "What is the 
>person in the picture doing?" in which case if the speaker responded in 
>just 1 or 2 isolated words, then I would feel like i needed to do more 
>filling in. But the prompt is very general :  Tell me about this 
>picture. If the person responds with appropriate vocabulary from the 
>picture,  and it is comprehensible, I can't see not giving it a 3. Of 
>course, it's the complexity that will be scored low (a 1). 
> 
>That's my 2 cents worth!  Janet 
> 
> 
>Janet S. Fischer 
> 
>Associate Coordinator 
> 
>Northeast SABES (System for Adult Basic Education Support) 
> 
>Northern Essex Community College 
> 
>45 Franklin Street, Lawrence, MA 01840 
> 
>Tel: (978) 738-7307,  Fax: (978) 738-7115 
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>jfischer at necc.mass.edu 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>Stone 
>Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:47 PM 
>To: Betty Stone; Brown, Teresa; Bestplus at lists.literacytent.org 
>Subject: Re: [Bestplus] Scoring question 
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> 
>Hmmm.... Good points, Dori. Waiting for more comments.... 
>Betty 
> 
>Betty Stone <bjstone13 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
> Hi Teresa, 
> 
> Great question, and even greater to have a chance to chat about 
>it BEFORE the big September push. 
> My gut inclination is to score a 1 for Communication based on 
>the need to "fill in" the entire thought the student might be trying to 
>express. Without a little more meat (I know we score the main course in 
>this area in Complexity) the communication is quite ambiguous: Does the 
>woman want to buy eggs, is she holding eggs, and so on. On the other 
>hand, a rudimentary phrase "buying eggs" or even "buy eggs" intoned as a 
>phrase vs. a list of words: "woman, eggs, buy," would push me to a 2 in 
>Communication. 
> 
> Can't wait to hear what the rest of you think!  We are sooooo 
>lucky to have a sharing group to process these questions. In my 
>trainings I tried to encourage people to create chat groups at their 
>agencies so they could brainstorm scoring issues. 
> 
> Betty 
> 
> "Brown, Teresa" <teresa at CambridgeMA.GOV> wrote: 
> 
> Hi everyone, 
> 
> I have a question about Communication scores for the 
>very low level ESOL students. When we say "Tell me about this picture," 
>some students look at it and just give some nouns, or maybe a verb, for 
>example, "eggs, woman, store", or "car, truck, drive". The words are 
>perfectly comprehensible and accurate, but there's nothing in our 
>training that explains how to score it. There aren't any hesitations, 
>but the answers aren't enough of a phrase to be 'everyday' English (i.e. 
>In response to a question, "with my friends" got a 3 for Communication). 
> 
> Are you all scoring these kinds of replies a 2? or a 1? 
>I think this question will come up more in September than June, so I'd 
>like for all our teachers to be consistent from the start. 
> 
> Thanks for your help, 
> 
> Teresa Brown 
> ESOL Coordinator 
> Community Learning Center 
> 19 Brookline Street, Cambridge, MA 02139 
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