[Bestplus] Scoring question

[Fischer, Janet]

Hi everyone! It IS great to have this means of communication and
checking in with each other.
 
I believe I have also been scoring simple words, phrases, etc as a 1 for
complexity and a 3 for comprehension. As Dori pointed out, I listen for
how well I can understand the words, and if I can understand them, then
I feel like it is a 3. And, the prompt is "Tell me about this picture"
-- which leaves a very wide field for responses. It's not: "What is the
person in the picture doing?" in which case if the speaker responded in
just 1 or 2 isolated words, then I would feel like i needed to do more
filling in. But the prompt is very general :  Tell me about this
picture. If the person responds with appropriate vocabulary from the
picture,  and it is comprehensible, I can't see not giving it a 3. Of
course, it's the complexity that will be scored low (a 1).
 
That's my 2 cents worth!  Janet 
 

Janet S. Fischer

Associate Coordinator

Northeast SABES (System for Adult Basic Education Support)

Northern Essex Community College

45 Franklin Street, Lawrence, MA 01840

Tel: (978) 738-7307,  Fax: (978) 738-7115

jfischer at necc.mass.edu 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Bestplus] Scoring question


Hmmm.... Good points, Dori. Waiting for more comments....
Betty

Betty Stone <bjstone13 at yahoo.com> wrote:

	Hi Teresa,
	 
	Great question, and even greater to have a chance to chat about
it BEFORE the big September push.
	My gut inclination is to score a 1 for Communication based on
the need to "fill in" the entire thought the student might be trying to
express. Without a little more meat (I know we score the main course in
this area in Complexity) the communication is quite ambiguous: Does the
woman want to buy eggs, is she holding eggs, and so on. On the other
hand, a rudimentary phrase "buying eggs" or even "buy eggs" intoned as a
phrase vs. a list of words: "woman, eggs, buy," would push me to a 2 in
Communication.
	 
	Can't wait to hear what the rest of you think!  We are sooooo
lucky to have a sharing group to process these questions. In my
trainings I tried to encourage people to create chat groups at their
agencies so they could brainstorm scoring issues.  
	 
	Betty

	"Brown, Teresa" <teresa at CambridgeMA.GOV> wrote:

		Hi everyone, 
		
		I have a question about Communication scores for the
very low level ESOL students. When we say "Tell me about this picture,"
some students look at it and just give some nouns, or maybe a verb, for
example, "eggs, woman, store", or "car, truck, drive". The words are
perfectly comprehensible and accurate, but there's nothing in our
training that explains how to score it. There aren't any hesitations,
but the answers aren't enough of a phrase to be 'everyday' English (i.e.
In response to a question, "with my friends" got a 3 for Communication).
		
		Are you all scoring these kinds of replies a 2? or a 1?
I think this question will come up more in September than June, so I'd
like for all our teachers to be consistent from the start.
		
		Thanks for your help,
		
		Teresa Brown
		ESOL Coordinator
		Community Learning Center
		19 Brookline Street, Cambridge, MA 02139
		
		
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SCALE - Somerville Center for Adult Learning Experiences
167 Holland Street, Somerville, MA 02144
Phone: 617-625-6600, Ext. 6933
FAX: 617-623-8528
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