[AAACE-NLA] Debbie Yoho comments in AAACE-NLA Digest, Vol 87, Issue 25
Debbie Yoho
dwyoho at gmail.com
Fri Aug 20 08:20:55 EDT 2010
Yes, Jim. Exactly. In my college days there was a man namds Herbert
Marcuso (sp?) around who would say, "You've been co-opted." Debbie
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Schneider, Jim <jschneider at eicc.edu> wrote:
> And for those learners for whom WIA and NRS appear to be intended - they
> are no longer considered self-determining adults. They WILL have the
> govt. prescribed learning goals and outcomes regardless of how those
> goals/outcomes fit the life situation of the individual at that
> particular moment.
>
> How much further from the foundations of adult education (and a system
> that did pretty amazing things despite NEVER being funded) will we be
> forced to tread?
>
> It seems to me that having never secured the respect and funding needed
> with the old paradigm, we are now going to toss aside most of the old
> system and implement a New Paradigm with the hope and dream that with a
> new name and design it MIGHT be a little better funded.
>
> Jim Schneider
> Davenport, IA
>
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> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:47:50 -0400
> From: Debbie Yoho <dwyoho at gmail.com>
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> It does not appear to me that there are any changes in the wind
> regarding
> the NRS that will help programs serving the hardest-to-serve or
> lowest-level
> learners. In fact, it appears that the changes under discussion will
> actually make the process more cumbersome, adding specific requirements
> regarding learner goals. It appears the goal of improving academics
> would no
> longer be considered valid unless tied to an employment goal.
>
> In tracking some of the activity related to WIA reauthorization, I see a
> similar drive to refine adult education and literacy programs into a
> feeder
> system for employment. I have no problem with this provided that
> educational services are available for adults who are not and will not
> be in
> the workforce. I am speaking of older adults who have retired, who may
> even
> be in a nursing home, adults who are on disability, perhaps recovering
> from
> mental illness or addiction and not ready to work; adults who have
> prohibitive medical problems such as cancer, adults who are at home
> full-time with young children, adults who are chronically homeless or
> incarcerated for the long-term, adults whose beginning skill level
> combined
> with learning disabilities means it will be years before they can fill
> out a
> job application, etc.
>
> I am afraid many are getting tired of this litany begging to maintain
> programs that sensitively and effectively serve adults who do not
> contribute
> to the tax base through employment. The world has turned, and I find
> that it
> all falls more and more on deaf ears. I knew in 1998, when the WIA
> highjacked adult education and combined an academic mission with job
> training, that a day would come when a sizeable segment of the adult
> population would be left behind in the dust with no one to care whether
> they
> have a good quality of life or not. All this time I have continued to
> remind
> anyone who will listen that workforce development is critical, but so
> are
> opportunities for ALL adults. The WIA and the NRS are NOT designed to
> serve
> ALL adults, but only to serve the economy.
>
> Where is the conscience, and the voice, of educators, policy-makers,
> researchers and academics who continue to ride the wave of globalization
> to
> contribute to the nation's adjustment to changing times, but also strive
> for
> simple principles such as justice and equity? I hear that voice here
> from
> time to time, but it is absent from OVAE newsletters, WIA
> reauthorization
> proposals, NRS revision discussions, efforts to form "career pathways",
> meetings of state directors, and media news and analysis.
> So now I seriously ask: Is the only avenue left for these adults
> litigation? It seems to me if current trends continue, someone somewhere
> may
> be able to make a case for discrimination. If public funds are to be
> spent
> on education for any particular category of adults (such as
> job-seekers), funds should be available for any adult who wants to
> learn. As
> a former special education teacher, I know parents had to resort to the
> courts to obtain services for special-needs kids. It appears to me the
> handwriting is on the wall again. According to Dreams from My Father,
> the
> president reached the conclusion that real change sometimes comes about
> only
> when the courts force it, so he enrolled in law school.
>
>
> Debbie Yoho
> Executive Director
> Turning Pages Adult Literacy
> www.literacycolumbia.org
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> From: Michael Gyori <michael_gyori at yahoo.com>
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> <aaace-nla at lists.literacytent.org>
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> Debbie,
>
> Your words have truly touched my heart. Unfortunately, public education
> is
> totally in the full grip of a corporate paradigm as you?have so
> emotionally
> stated. I can no longer listen to the tweaks that are made every year
> that
> ensure?the safety of some bureaucrats' jobs.??As much as I appreciate
> the time a
> few ?take to apprise us of what is?goes on, it's all about rubbing even
> more
> salt on a big wound, Art's rendering of affairs in NH notwithstanding.
>
> So...being sad?won't solve anything until action is taken.? We might
> begin by
> conceptualizing a case?among ourselves against what is going?on at the
> USDOE.? I
> really did believe that matters would improve under Obama - so maybe we
> should
> think about sending him a petition?signed by thousand upon thousands of
> people
> in our communities.
>
> Michael
> ?
> Michael A. Gyori
> Maui International Language School
> www.mauilanguage.com
> ?
> ?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Debbie Yoho <dwyoho at gmail.com>
> To: aaace-nla <aaace-nla at lists.literacytent.org>; PROLITERACY LIST
> <proliteracyconnect at proliteracylist.org>
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 9:47:50 AM
> Subject: [AAACE-NLA] Shall we resort to litigation?
>
>
> It does not appear to me that there are any changes in the wind
> regarding the
> NRS that will help programs serving the hardest-to-serve or lowest-level
>
> learners.? In fact, it appears that the changes under discussion will
> actually
> make the process more cumbersome, adding specific requirements regarding
> learner
> goals. It appears the goal of improving academics?would no longer be
> considered
> valid unless tied to an employment goal.?
>
>
> In tracking some of the activity related to WIA reauthorization, I see a
> similar
> drive to refine adult education and literacy programs into a feeder
> system for
> employment.? I have no problem with this provided that educational
> services are
> available for adults who are not and will not be in the workforce.? I am
>
> speaking of older adults who have retired, who may even be in a nursing
> home,
> adults who are on disability, perhaps recovering from mental illness or
> addiction and not ready to work; ?adults who have prohibitive medical
> problems
> such as cancer, adults who are at home full-time with young children,
> adults who
> are chronically homeless or incarcerated for the long-term, adults whose
>
> beginning skill level combined with learning disabilities means it will
> be years
> before they can fill out a job application, etc.
>
> I am afraid many are getting tired of this litany begging to maintain
> programs
> that sensitively and effectively serve adults who do not contribute to
> the tax
> base through employment.?The world has turned, and I find that it all
> falls more
> and more on deaf ears.? I knew in 1998, when the WIA highjacked adult
> education?and?combined an?academic mission with job training, that a day
> would
> come when a sizeable segment of the adult population would be left
> behind in the
> dust with no one to care?whether they have a good quality of life or
> not.?All
> this time I have continued to remind anyone who will listen
> that?workforce
> development is critical, but so are opportunities for ALL adults. The
> WIA and
> the NRS are?NOT designed to serve ALL adults, but only to serve the
> economy.??
>
> Where is the conscience, and the voice, of educators, policy-makers,
> researchers
> and academics who continue to ride the wave of globalization to
> contribute to
> the nation's adjustment to changing times, but also strive?for simple
> principles
> such as justice and equity??I hear that voice here from time to time,
> but it is
> absent from OVAE newsletters, WIA reauthorization proposals, NRS
> revision
> discussions, efforts to form "career pathways", meetings of state
> directors, and
> media news and analysis.
>
>
> So now I seriously ask:??Is the only avenue left for these adults
> litigation??It
> seems to me if?current trends?continue, someone somewhere may be able to
> make a
> case for discrimination.? If public funds are to be spent on education
> for?any
> particular category of adults (such as job-seekers),?funds should be
> available
> for any adult who wants to learn.?As a former special education teacher,
> I know
> parents had to resort to the courts to obtain services for special-needs
> kids.?
> It appears to me the handwriting is on the wall again.? According to
> Dreams from
> My Father, the president reached the conclusion that real change
> sometimes comes
> about only when the courts force it, so he enrolled in law school.
>
> ?
> Debbie Yoho
> Executive Director
> Turning Pages Adult Literacy
> www.literacycolumbia.org
>
>
>
>
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> Michael,
>
> That is just what Margaret Doughty did. Here is her message regarding
> the scroll that will be presented at the White House, DoE, and the
> Capitol.
>
> Margaret Doughty <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=597711818>
> August 18 at 11:55pm Reply
> <https://mail.ccbcmd.edu/ajax/messaging/composer.php?thread=424265178709
> &msg_id=0&id=597711818<https://mail.ccbcmd.edu/ajax/messaging/composer.php?thread=424265178709%0A&msg_id=0&id=597711818>
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> Thanks to all for your help this year. The trip to the White House is
> confirmed for September 22nd. We want to engage everyone in the day
> either in DC or in support letters and activities. YEAH!!!! Your voices
> will be heard. I will send out a message with all the details later in
> the week. If you have ideas for the day please let us know - so far we
> will rally at the White House and hand in the scroll but before we do we
> plan on visiting the Department of Education and also unrolling the
> scroll down the steps of the Capiltol prior to meeting with
> congressional leaders. We will work hard to make it a day to remember!!
>
> Susan McGilloway
> SSS Specialist/VIP Coordinator
> Center for Adult and Family Literacy
> Community College of Baltimore County
> smcgilloway at ccbcmd.edu <mailto:smcgilloway at ccbcmd.edu>
> 443-840-3933
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: aaace-nla-bounces at lists.literacytent.org on behalf of Michael
> Gyori
> Sent: Wed 8/18/2010 4:59 PM
> To: National Literacy Advocacy List sponsored by AAACE
> Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] Shall we resort to litigation?
>
>
> Debbie,
>
> Your words have truly touched my heart. Unfortunately, public education
> is totally in the full grip of a corporate paradigm as you have so
> emotionally stated. I can no longer listen to the tweaks that are made
> every year that ensure the safety of some bureaucrats' jobs. As much as
> I appreciate the time a few take to apprise us of what is goes on, it's
> all about rubbing even more salt on a big wound, Art's rendering of
> affairs in NH notwithstanding.
>
> So...being sad won't solve anything until action is taken. We might
> begin by conceptualizing a case among ourselves against what is going on
> at the USDOE. I really did believe that matters would improve under
> Obama - so maybe we should think about sending him a petition signed by
> thousand upon thousands of people in our communities.
>
> Michael
>
>
> Michael A. Gyori
>
> Maui International Language School
>
> www.mauilanguage.com <http://www.mauilanguage.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Debbie Yoho <dwyoho at gmail.com>
> To: aaace-nla <aaace-nla at lists.literacytent.org>; PROLITERACY LIST
> <proliteracyconnect at proliteracylist.org>
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 9:47:50 AM
> Subject: [AAACE-NLA] Shall we resort to litigation?
>
>
> It does not appear to me that there are any changes in the wind
> regarding the NRS that will help programs serving the hardest-to-serve
> or lowest-level learners. In fact, it appears that the changes under
> discussion will actually make the process more cumbersome, adding
> specific requirements regarding learner goals. It appears the goal of
> improving academics would no longer be considered valid unless tied to
> an employment goal.
>
> In tracking some of the activity related to WIA reauthorization, I see a
> similar drive to refine adult education and literacy programs into a
> feeder system for employment. I have no problem with this provided that
> educational services are available for adults who are not and will not
> be in the workforce. I am speaking of older adults who have retired,
> who may even be in a nursing home, adults who are on disability, perhaps
> recovering from mental illness or addiction and not ready to work;
> adults who have prohibitive medical problems such as cancer, adults who
> are at home full-time with young children, adults who are chronically
> homeless or incarcerated for the long-term, adults whose beginning skill
> level combined with learning disabilities means it will be years before
> they can fill out a job application, etc.
>
> I am afraid many are getting tired of this litany begging to maintain
> programs that sensitively and effectively serve adults who do not
> contribute to the tax base through employment. The world has turned, and
> I find that it all falls more and more on deaf ears. I knew in 1998,
> when the WIA highjacked adult education and combined an academic mission
> with job training, that a day would come when a sizeable segment of the
> adult population would be left behind in the dust with no one to care
> whether they have a good quality of life or not. All this time I have
> continued to remind anyone who will listen that workforce development is
> critical, but so are opportunities for ALL adults. The WIA and the NRS
> are NOT designed to serve ALL adults, but only to serve the economy.
>
> Where is the conscience, and the voice, of educators, policy-makers,
> researchers and academics who continue to ride the wave of globalization
> to contribute to the nation's adjustment to changing times, but also
> strive for simple principles such as justice and equity? I hear that
> voice here from time to time, but it is absent from OVAE newsletters,
> WIA reauthorization proposals, NRS revision discussions, efforts to form
> "career pathways", meetings of state directors, and media news and
> analysis.
>
> So now I seriously ask: Is the only avenue left for these adults
> litigation? It seems to me if current trends continue, someone somewhere
> may be able to make a case for discrimination. If public funds are to
> be spent on education for any particular category of adults (such as
> job-seekers), funds should be available for any adult who wants to
> learn. As a former special education teacher, I know parents had to
> resort to the courts to obtain services for special-needs kids. It
> appears to me the handwriting is on the wall again. According to Dreams
> from My Father, the president reached the conclusion that real change
> sometimes comes about only when the courts force it, so he enrolled in
> law school.
>
>
> Debbie Yoho
> Executive Director
> Turning Pages Adult Literacy
> www.literacycolumbia.org <http://www.literacycolumbia.org/>
>
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