[AAACE-NLA] immigration and adult ed

Mon May 14 13:28:44 EDT 2007

Kearny: I wonder how the early immigrants were inclined to learn English 
when they came to our country. They also had to learn the language. 
Germans,Finns, Norwegians and Swedish had to learn the language. All I ask 
that the others or Hispanics do also.
The legal thing is all conservative baloney . I am a conservative who 
believes in the President on this   Issue of helping them out.

Merle Ayres
412 8th st. North
Humboldt,Iowa 50548
Tel.1-515-332-4630
Fax 515-332-1738

>From: Kearney Lykins <kearney_lykins at yahoo.com>
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>To: aaace-nla at lists.literacytent.org
>Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] immigration and adult ed
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT)
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>John,
>
>How are educators who would provide free or nearly free ESOL services to 
>known
>illegal aliens in a substantially different ethical position than the
>employers who knowingly hire the same?
>
>I don't know that you are as complicit as the coyote, but yes, you and 
>anyone else who who turns a blind eye to illegal activity is certainly 
>contributing to creating an illegal-friendly environment. I don't find it 
>at all disingenuous or conflicting to be an adult ESOL educator and a 
>patriot. In fact, love of my country and its culture is one of the biggest 
>motivators for me to teach ESOL to immigrants. But I am not going to help a 
>single illegal immigrant if I can help it. I have suspected several of my 
>previous students were here illegally. Even though I know such things are 
>easily faked, I asked several to show me their SSAN cards. One student, who 
>had a very good attendance record, and with whom I had developed great 
>rapport, immediately stopped coming to class.
>
>Loving one's country doesn't make one a fascist or a nativist. Wanting to 
>enforce immigration laws that recognize our border, that protect our 
>culture and national security, and that allow for the continued viability 
>of our health services, education programs, social services, state budgets, 
>etc. doesn't equate to hating brown people.
>
>
>Kearney Lykins
>
>
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>    1.  immigration and adult education (Holst, John D.)
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>Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:44:58 -0500
>From: "Holst, John D." <JDHOLST at stthomas.edu>
>Subject: [AAACE-NLA] immigration and adult education
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>I have been following with interest the debate on immigration and have the
>following comments to add to the discussion.
>
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>Trying to claim that the national discussion on immigration should center 
>on
>the narrow issue of the legality or illegality of crossing the border is
>fruitless and leads, as this discussion has shown, to, on the one hand,
>abstract appeals to dictionary definitions, etymological origins of words,
>and moral principles, and, on the other, calls for the mass detention and
>removal of large sectors of a nation's population not seen since the days,
>and with similar ideological foundations, of European fascism.
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>Claiming this is a narrow legal issue, is like saying the national debate 
>on
>abortion is merely about a medical procedure.  It really leads nowhere
>because it detaches the issue from its foundations in the historical,
>economic and social development of the nation.
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>It also strikes me as disingenuous if not outright hypocritical for adult
>educators to take anti-immigration stances, and to be so sanctimoniously
>outraged by 'these' people's "criminal" act of crossing borders.  I spent
>about 7 years in the ABE classroom.  During these years, most of my work 
>was
>with "illegal" immigrants.  In fact, the entire ABE program in Chicago,
>funded based on attendance, depended on the mass participation of "illegal"
>immigrants.  All of our jobs, whether we were in the ESL or the GED
>classroom, depended on the "criminality" of immigration.  The ABE 
>classroom,
>overflowing with "illegals" was my first entry into education.  Both
>literally and figuratively "illegal" immigrants put food on my table.  Now
>as a professor of education, I have to honestly admit that my whole career
>is founded on this original sin.  I can't help but think that from the
>narrow legalistic framing of the immigration debate, my entire career is
>really fraudulent and illegal.   How can I as someone who has benefited so
>much from the field of ABE, now call for the confinement and/or deportation
>of those upon which I built a whole career?  Am I not as complicit as the
>coyote, himself?  Are not our programs?
>
>
>
>John Holst
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:35:06 -0400
>From: andresmuro at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] A primer on immigration
>To: aaace-nla at lists.literacytent.org
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>  Regarding educators, the policies that they should follow are the ones of 
>the school, funding, etc.
>  they really have no choice. Teachers are not immigration officers, so, 
>they shouldn't be asked to enforce immigration policy. In our program we 
>serve the students that come. the funding pretty much dictates who we can 
>serve. Our adult education ESL funding is for people who want to learn 
>English. Our GED funding is for people who want to get a GED. Our migrant 
>education funding is for people involved in agricultural work. Our health 
>education funds are to provide health literacy classes and so on.
>
>  Schools should serve people that want to learn, provided that they teach 
>what people are asking for. It should be pretty straight forward.
>
>  Regarding national or global immigration policy, I cannot speak of one 
>definite policy. The immigration issues are the result of global economic 
>issues of poverty, displacement, inequality, etc. Policies will not prevent 
>immigration issues as long as there are issues of poverty, inequality, etc. 
>People will talk about immigration policy for a while. In a couple of 
>years, after the next election, and a couple of Paris Hilton type scandals, 
>a few sports tournaments, etc people will have forgotten that we have an 
>immigration issue. We will continue to co-exist with pretty much the same 
>immigrants and get along fine. At some point, a few years later, another 
>Lou Dobbs will come along and make immigrants the scapegoats for the all 
>problem of the time.
>
>  My personal policy is to treat people as people. I try not to make 
>distinctions about nationality, race, gender, class, sexual preference, 
>religion.
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>  Andres
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