[AAACE-NLA] Immigrants and the Law

Sun May 6 18:18:43 EDT 2007

Good comments Terry: I just got back from London on a vacation visiting 
relatives. They have mega problems on immigration also. Some are the same in 
the US. I really believe the founding of our nation and its history is 
paramount. Our ancestors had much help from others or to say more help. We 
are showing our prejudice all over the place.

Merle Ayres
412 8th st. North
Humboldt,Iowa 50548
Tel.1-515-332-4630
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>From: Terry Said <said at ameritech.net>
>Reply-To: National Literacy Advocacy List sponsored by 
>AAACE<aaace-nla at lists.literacytent.org>
>To: National Literacy Advocacy List sponsored by 
>AAACE<aaace-nla at lists.literacytent.org>
>Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] Immigrants and the Law
>Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 10:44:08 -0700 (PDT)
>
>My advanced community college ESL students have been
>working on an argumentative essay debating whether or
>not to build a wall between the United States and
>Mexico. Some are for the wall, some not. But one of my
>students started her essay with an intriguing hook:
>Why can't I have a good job and a better life just
>because I live on the other side of a line? By the way
>this student is from Iraq, not Mexico. But all our
>arguments about immigration really boils down to this
>question, doesn't it?
>
>Terry Pruett-Said
>ESL instructor
>Michigan
>
>--- "French, Allan" <afrench at sccd.ctc.edu> wrote:
>
> > A recent poster asked us, in effect, to stop
> > labeling each other and start a reasoned discussion.
> >  I agree, and I think that David's questions could
> > begin such a discussion, if only Kearney would
> > respond without labels.  To be fair, though, tough
> > questions would also have to be asked of Kearney's
> > opponents.
> >
> > I have read much about justifying the breaking of
> > laws for reasons of conscience, and I have great
> > sympathy for that, at times.  However, would those
> > of you taking such a stand tolerate the breaking of
> > laws by those whose conscience dictates positions
> > diametrically opposite your own.  For example, there
> > are many people who consider abortion murder.  Would
> > you allow them to break judicial restraining orders
> > regarding protests at family planning centers as
> > long as it was a matter of conscience?  What would
> > be the implications for our society if we all freely
> > broke laws that we thought were morally wrong
> > (remembering that we don't all share the same moral
> > perspective on issues)?
> >
> > It is very easy to criticize the current
> > administration's immigration policies and
> > enforcement actions (I do so myself).  It is more
> > difficult to come up with alternatives.  What
> > immigration policy would you recommend to the next
> > president?  Would you advocate completely open
> > borders?  If not, what limitations would you place
> > on immigration and how would you justify those?  How
> > would such changes impact our society?
> >
> > I don't have good answers to these questions, but I
> > would like to see a good, reasoned, constructive and
> > respectful discussion started.
> >
> > Allan French
> > ESL Instructor
> > South Seattle Community College
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aaace-nla-bounces at lists.literacytent.org
> > [mailto:aaace-nla-bounces at lists.literacytent.org]On
> > Behalf Of David
> > Rosen
> > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 6:30 PM
> > To: National Literacy Advocacy List sponsored by
> > AAACE
> > Subject: [AAACE-NLA] Immigrants and the Law
> >
> >
> > Kearney,
> >
> > Since you are concerned about illegal activity, it
> > is odd to me that
> > in your postings you focus only on immigrants, not
> > on U.S. employers
> > who illegally recruit, hire, and pay employees who
> > are not legal
> > residents.  In Massachusetts, for example,  we have
> > had examples of
> > INS raids in which immigrants without documentation
> > are rounded up,
> > and quickly shipped across the country the same day,
> > leaving their
> > infant children without care, and where the
> > companies that recruited,
> > hired, and paid (sub-minimum) wages to these people
> > were not
> > seriously sanctioned.  Don't you care about that? If
> > not, why not?
> >
> > If the Bush administration were to prevail, and the
> > guest worker
> > program were made the law, then illegal immigrants
> > could suddenly be
> > legal, working residents.  Do you support that
> > proposal? Why or why not?
> >
> > David J. Rosen
> > djrosen at comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 3, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Kearney Lykins wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Linda,
> > >
> > > It is refreshing to see that someone out there
> > (besides me)
> > > acknowledges that the immigration debate is
> > centered on law-
> > > breaking, and what to do about it. This is a
> > positive step forward.
> > >
> > > Kearney
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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