[AAACE-NLA] Moral principles
Kearney Lykins
kearney_lykins at yahoo.com
Sun May 6 09:17:48 EDT 2007
David,
The two examples you give illustrate the tough choices some people decide to make. Both are examples in which would-be-immigrants seek entry on grounds of political asylum. They are not however representative of the moral choices being made by the millions of illiterate and un-immunized people who have willfully entered the US illegally. I am not saying that were I in the shoes of your protagonists I wouldn't attempt to do the same thing as they. But I am saying that the circumstances of the vast majority of the current 12 million or so illegal aliens are far different than your two examples.
Kearney
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1. Moral principles (David Rosen)
2. Re: AAACE-NLA Digest, Vol 48, Issue 5 (Catherine B. King)
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Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 08:48:13 -0400
From: David Rosen <DJRosen at theworld.com>
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Kearney,
On May 4, 2007, you wrote:
> What moral principle demands that people should willfully break the
> laws of the United States by skirting the procedures to admit them
> to our country?
Here are two examples:
A parent, living in a brutal, totalitarian society speaks out against
the government. Her life, and the life of her family is, as a
result, in danger. There is no time to consider legal routes to
emigration. She grabs her children and escapes, landing in the U.S.
without documentation.
Two foreign nationals who have studied in the U.S., have returned to
their country. It is five years later. They have two children, one
born in the U.S. , one born in their country. Their country is in
civil war. Their lives are in danger. Their child born in the U.S.
can legally enter the U.S. as she is a U.S. citizen.Their other child
cannot. They try to enter the U.S. legally but are told only their
six-year old may have a visa. Acting morally to preserve the lives
of both their children they enter as three undocumented and one legal
resident.
In both examples the moral principle is parents' obligation to
protect their children.
David J. Rosen
DJRosen at theworld.com
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Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 14:22:04 -0500
From: "Catherine B. King" <cb.king at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] AAACE-NLA Digest, Vol 48, Issue 5
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Hello LInda and Kearney:
I haven't been able to peruse all of the notes here YET--swamped at the moment-
and forgive if I am repeating something already said--but the development of
thought for breaking the law where a law is considered a badly formed, outdated,
or unjust, can be found in the literature surrounding civil disobedience--
thought which goes back to Thoreau, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Jr., and
many, many others who have a social conscience. It's also implied in our own
Declaration of Independence and developed thoughtfully by deTocqueville
in his Democracy in America.
Some of the rules surrounding such law-breaking are demanding--as I remember,
we can break **A** law; but we cannot question **THE** law or the idea of
the **RULE of law.**
We do so by breaking the law publicly, and with full disclosure of why we are
breaking it; we do so without receiving any personal gain from doing so; and
we then must submit ourselves to the RULE OF LAW, which means we put
our hands behind our backs and allow ourselves to be marched to jail.
So we break *A* law, but do not break *THE RULE OF LAW* as the ideal
that we all live by. Being able to break single unjust laws, without breaking
the rule of law enables that same rule of law to be a living thing.
I will peruse the current dlalogue later (I'm swamped right now with
classes) and look forward to doing so. But I thought the above might help
since it seems to be a topic of conversation right now. I'm sure you will find
references to "civil disobedience" on the web.
Catherine King
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Jenny's interpretation is correct. Thank you Jenny.
Linda Hoover
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Kearney,
You have completely misinterpreted Linda's point. Her point is that laws are created by humans, and are therefore NOT infallible. Perhaps current immigration laws need to be challenged, to be BROKEN. Just because a law is in place, this does not mean that law should be followed. Sometimes it is quite justifiable, on ethical, moral, social justice, and humanitarian grounds, to BREAK laws. THAT was the point.
Jenny
Jennifer A. Sandlin
Assistant Professor
Department of Educational Administration and Human Resource Development
MS 4226
Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-4226
979.458.0508 (work)
jsandlin at coe.tamu.edu
On May 3, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Kearney Lykins wrote:
Linda,
It is refreshing to see that someone out there (besides me) acknowledges that the immigration debate is centered on law-breaking, and what to do about it. This is a positive step forward.
Kearney
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All,
Might we remember that, in the United States, it was once illegal for slaves to be taught to read and for Japanese to expect to live outside of an internment camp. Laws are a creation of human beings. Should slaves not have had the opportunity to read until after the the Civil War or might breaking an unjust law sometimes be the ethnical thing to do?
Linda Hoover
Minneapolis
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All,
The subject line of the Ms. Kashdan's post is spectacularly misleading. The website she recommends ( http://www.nycore.org/ ) has nothing to do with teaching, but everything to do with promoting leftist propaganda, on the tax-payers dime. As the homepage of "New York Collective of Radical Educators", it is a cookbook for extreme extra-pedagogical techniques, centered on brainwashing young minds about assorted fringe agenda items like:
1. the "hidden evils" of service on the U. S. Military
2. how testing creates "an oppressive and ineffective experience for students"
3. advocating social promotion of 7th graders
The material recommended by Ms. Kashdan is not at all surprising considering the content of the addendum to her post. Note her attempt to change the terms of the illegal immigration debate, by equating the opposition's term, "illegal alien" with "illegal human." This sort of tactic gets us nowhere because it promotes a rhetorical environment in which adversaries talk past one another. I do not side with those who marched in the streets (and apparently straight out of Ms. Kashdan's recommended activist classrooms) because I generally oppose illegal actions. Indeed, the humans that cross our border without permission have broken U.S. law, and because they have decided to do so, their alien status is in fact illegal.
Anyway, I searched her post and links for any materials or resources related to "teaching about immigration" and found none.
Kearney Lykins
ESOL Teacher
Virginia Beach, VA
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Greetings all,
The below teaching guide on the issue of immigration is highly relevant for
teachers who work with adults as well as those who work with children. It
contains reference to many useful resources. Although there are quite a few
that are primarily related to activities in the New York City area, many of
the resources also contain information that is useful for teachers and
students nationwide.
Much of the information can be of great use to teachers of beginning English
language learners even though it will not be appropriate for using with such
students directly. And some of the resources can be used directly with
intermediate and advanced new English learners too.
Although this guide was put together last year, it is still definitely
relevant!
Because the teacher's guide is available for downloading in MS Word format
as well as PDF format, it is fully accessible to educators and students who
are blind or visually impaired or need to use computer screen readers and
synthesized speech for other reasons. And, many of the resources referenced
are also accessible to those using screen readers and synthesized speech.
So, if you have not already checked it out, I hope you do soon.
Sylvie Kashdan, M.A.
Instructor/Curriculum Coordinator
KAIZEN PROGRAM for New English Learners with Visual Limitations
810-A Hiawatha Place South
Seattle, WA 98144, U.S.A.
phone: (206) 784-5619
email: kaizen at literacyworks.org
web: http://www.nwlincs.org/kaizen/
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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: [NYCoRE] TEACHERS: SUPPORT MAY 1st WALKOUTS
For any educators looking for resources to support student
immigration walkouts, the NYCoRE curriculum "NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL" is
available as a free download at http://www.nycore.org/
immigrantrights.html.
This curriculum was created last year as a response to student
organizing efforts. The information on the protest and walkouts are
dated, but the curricular resources are still very usable.
?
1) The No Human Is Illegal Resource Guide: This guide is for
educators to take on the important issues that teachers and students
have been tackling in their activism INSIDE the classroom. We must
not let our sense of civic duty to engage these critical issues begin
once the school day is over?we must weave them into our teaching and
learning. This resource can be best utilized online as a web
resource. The links and topics will be relevant long past the next
few marches and protests. It is organized into the following three
sections and we encourage teachers to join us in fulfilling each goal:
Let us join voices as teachers, students, and community members to
oppose this anti-immigrant, anti-human legislation! As teachers we
can do so in the classroom and in the streets!
For questions about the demonstration:
info at nycore.org
Download No Human is Illegal - Click here for PDF or Word Doc
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No Human is Illegal!
HR 4437, the controversial immigration bill that has been hotly
contested by Congressman and the American public alike?is affecting
students? lives all across the nation. Whether they are marching in
protest or conversing with friends, we have seen students taking
center stage during the debates over the status of immigrants in this
country. How can educators engage their students in these critical
issues in the classroom? How can we serve as the liaison between
students and the mixed messages the media and politicians are
sending? Most importantly, how can we support our students?
initiative to make their voices heard locally and nationally? The
debate over immigrant rights in the United States, the supposed
?land of the free and home of the brave?, will continue to
increase in intensity and will peak on May 1st ? with the Great
American Boycott. We offer this curricular resource to educators, as
a guide to discussing the complex issues surrounding the immigration
debate and the decision to protest with their students. The topics
touched on in this guide and in the debate at large, touch on
economic, historic, political, national, and emotional themes. We
encourage and support educators everywhere to have the courage to
bring these concepts from the streets into the classroom and then
back onto the streets?united as teacher and student activists in the
struggle for human rights for all humans? because, no human is
illegal!
?Ning?n Ser Humano es Ilegal!
HR 4437, el proyecto de ley sobre la inmigraci?n que ha sido debatido
furiosamente tanto por miembros del Congreso como el p?blico
Americano?est? afectando la vida de estudiantes por todas partes de
la naci?n. Ya sea en manifestaciones o conversaciones con amigos,
hemos visto estudiantes ubic?ndose en el medio del debate acerca del
estatus de inmigrantes en este pa?s. ?C?mo es que educadores puedan
envolver sus estudiantes en estos temas cr?ticos dentro del sal?n de
clase? ?C?mo podemos ser un fuerte vinculo entre nuestros
estudiantes y los mensajes confusos que emiten los pol?ticos y los
medios de comunicaci?n? Y aun m?s importante, ?c?mo podemos apoyar
iniciativas estudiantiles de levantar sus voces localmente y a escala
nacional? El debate sobre los derechos de inmigrantes en los Estados
Unidos, la supuesta ?tierra de los libres, y hogar de los
valientes?, continuar? a crecer y tendr? su cima el 1 de mayo?
con el Gran Paro Americano. Ofrecemos este recurso curricular a
educadores como gu?a para di?logos sobre estos temas complicados
trat?ndose del debate sobre la inmigraci?n y la decisi?n de
manifestar sobre ellos. Los temas incluidos en este gu?a en el debate
nacional incluyen temas de la econom?a, historia, pol?tica, naci?n,
u emoci?n?animamos y apoyamos educadores en todas partes que
traigan estos temas de la calle al sal?n?unidos como activistas
educadores y estudiantiles en la lucha para derechos humanos para
todos los humanos?porque, ?ning?n ser humano es ilegal!
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For any educators looking for resources to support student immigration
walkouts, the NYCoRE curriculum "NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL" is available as a free
download at http://www.nycore.org/immigrantrights.html.
This curriculum was created last year as a response to student organizing
efforts. The information on the protest and walkouts are dated, but the
curricular resources are still very usable.
1) The No Human Is Illegal Resource Guide: This guide is for educators to
take on the important issues that teachers and students have been tackling
in their activism INSIDE the classroom. We must not let our sense of civic
duty to engage these critical issues begin once the school day is over?we
must weave them into our teaching and learning. This resource can be best
utilized online as a web resource. The links and topics will be relevant
long past the next few marches and protests. It is organized into the
following three sections and we encourage teachers to join us in fulfilling
each goal:
Let us join voices as teachers, students, and community members to oppose
this anti-immigrant, anti-human legislation! As teachers we can do so in the
classroom and in the streets!
For questions about the demonstration:
info at nycore.org
Download No Human is Illegal - Click here for PDF or Word Doc
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
No Human is Illegal!
HR 4437, the controversial immigration bill that has been hotly contested by
Congressman and the American public alike?is affecting students? lives all
across the nation. Whether they are marching in protest or conversing with
friends, we have seen students taking center stage during the debates over
the status of immigrants in this country. How can educators engage their
students in these critical issues in the classroom? How can we serve as the
liaison between students and the mixed messages the media and politicians
are sending? Most importantly, how can we support our students? initiative
to make their voices heard locally and nationally? The debate over immigrant
rights in the United States, the supposed ?land of the free and home of the
brave?, will continue to increase in intensity and will peak on May 1st ?
with the Great American Boycott. We offer this curricular resource to
educators, as a guide to discussing the complex issues surrounding the
immigration debate and the decision to protest with their students. The
topics touched on in this guide and in the debate at large, touch on
economic, historic, political, national, and emotional themes. We encourage
and support educators everywhere to have the courage to bring these concepts
from the streets into the classroom and then back onto the streets?united as
teacher and student activists in the struggle for human rights for all
humans? because, no human is illegal!
?Ning?n Ser Humano es Ilegal!
HR 4437, el proyecto de ley sobre la inmigraci?n que ha sido debatido
furiosamente tanto por miembros del Congreso como el p?blico Americano?est?
afectando la vida de estudiantes por todas partes de la naci?n. Ya sea en
manifestaciones o conversaciones con amigos, hemos visto estudiantes
ubic?ndose en el medio del debate acerca del estatus de inmigrantes en este
pa?s. ?C?mo es que educadores puedan envolver sus estudiantes en estos temas
cr?ticos dentro del sal?n de clase? ?C?mo podemos ser un fuerte vinculo
entre nuestros estudiantes y los mensajes confusos que emiten los pol?ticos
y los medios de comunicaci?n? Y aun m?s importante, ?c?mo podemos apoyar
iniciativas estudiantiles de levantar sus voces localmente y a escala
nacional? El debate sobre los derechos de inmigrantes en los Estados Unidos,
la supuesta ?tierra de los libres, y hogar de los valientes?, continuar? a
crecer y tendr? su cima el 1 de mayo?con el Gran Paro Americano. Ofrecemos
este recurso curricular a educadores como gu?a para di?logos sobre estos
temas complicados trat?ndose del debate sobre la inmigraci?n y la decisi?n
de manifestar sobre ellos. Los temas incluidos en este gu?a en el debate
nacional incluyen temas de la econom?a, historia, pol?tica, naci?n, u
emoci?n?animamos y apoyamos educadores en todas partes que traigan estos
temas de la calle al sal?n?unidos como activistas educadores y estudiantiles
en la lucha para derechos humanos para todos los humanos?porque, ?ning?n ser
humano es ilegal!
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