[AAACE-NLA] AAACE-NLA Digest, Vol 48, Issue 3

Thu May 3 15:36:16 EDT 2007

Janet,

Yes, talking past one another. When one party of a debate uses invented evidence (e.g., the "illegal humans" moniker) to help its side by claiming that the opposition holds something to be true that it in fact does not, that's called a straw man argument. Accusing the other side of referring to law breakers as "illegal humans" is a bogus charge, and such a charge certainly talks past me. 

I agree with you that Kashdan's post is multi-layered and complex. But I didn't suggest that it was otherwise. What I did say was that her recommendations had nothing to do with education because it was blatantly one-sided, all the way to the left.  That's not education and that's not teaching. That's dogma.

I am not debating whether or not "people's lives are affected." Of course millions of lives (American lives and others) are affected by current immigration law, and by the relative lack of enforcement of these laws. But I find your characterization of my view about illegal immigration puzzling. I do not comprehend how it is "hardline" for me to say that breaking the law is, er, against the law. And that people who chose to do it (for whatever reason) are in fact law breakers. Stepping back is one thing. But ignoring the truth about what the law actually says and hence about the people who choose to violate it is stepping back way too far, if we hope to have an informed discussion about what should be done about the current situation.  

Sincerely,

Kearney Lykins

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   1. Re:  Where's the teaching? (Janet Isserlis)

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Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 09:08:30 -0400
From: Janet Isserlis <Janet_Isserlis at brown.edu>
Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] Where's the teaching?
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Kearny

Talking past one another?

I would posit that Sylvie Kashdan's post implicitly suggests issues in a
complex, layered and multifaceted discussion around immigration.

I would further suggest that as educators we might consider the issues she
brings forward, in hope of helping students (young and old, colleagues,
friend, whomever) consider the various perspectives and underlying causes of
many of the immigration decisions, issues and problems at hand.

Yes, you have made your views abundantly clear in this and previous posts.

Perhaps you've seen Morgan Spurlock's documentary about this very issue.

If not, some information about it can be found at these sites:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/morganspurlock/archives/010831.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/27/21426/8183

I'm surely not going to enter into a spitting match with you, but your tone
today is especially heated, as is mine.  As is our right.  All I'm asking
here is that you step back from your very hard line about what is and isn't
legal and consider the varying background of adult  learners and adult
educators and consider that you may well disagree with this thread forever,
but that people's lives are very much affected by actions both large and
legislative and small and human.

Janet Isserlis

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Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:45:59 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] Where's the teaching?

All,

The subject line of the Ms. Kashdan's post is spectacularly misleading. The
website she recommends (  http://www.nycore.org/ ) has nothing to do with
teaching, but everything to do with promoting leftist propaganda, on the
tax-payers dime. As the homepage of "New York Collective of Radical
Educators", it is a cookbook for extreme extra-pedagogical techniques,
centered on brainwashing young minds about assorted fringe agenda items
like:

1.  the "hidden evils" of service on the U. S. Military
2.  how testing creates "an oppressive and ineffective experience for
students"
3.  advocating social promotion of 7th graders

The material recommended by Ms. Kashdan is not at all surprising considering
the content of the addendum to her post. Note her attempt to change the
terms of the illegal immigration debate, by equating the opposition's term,
"illegal alien" with "illegal human."  This sort of tactic gets us nowhere
because it promotes a rhetorical environment in which adversaries talk past
one another. I do not side with those who marched in the streets (and
apparently straight out of Ms. Kashdan's recommended activist classrooms)
because I generally oppose illegal actions. Indeed, the humans that cross
our border without permission have broken U.S. law, and because they have
decided to do so, their alien status is in fact illegal.

 Anyway, I searched her post and links for any materials or resources
related to "teaching about immigration" and found none.

Kearney Lykins

ESOL Teacher
Virginia Beach, VA

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   1.  teaching about immigration (Kaizen Program)

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Greetings all,

The below teaching guide on the issue of immigration is highly relevant for
teachers who work with adults as well as those who work with children. It
contains reference to many useful resources. Although there are quite a few
that are primarily related to activities in the New York City area, many of
the resources also contain information that is useful for teachers and
students nationwide.

Much of the information can be of great use to teachers of beginning English
language learners even though it will not be appropriate for using with such
students directly. And some of the resources can be used directly with
intermediate and advanced new English learners too.

Although this guide was put together last year, it is still definitely
relevant!

Because the teacher's guide is available for downloading in MS Word format
as well as PDF format, it is fully accessible to educators and students who
are blind or visually impaired or need to use computer screen readers and
synthesized speech for other reasons. And, many of the resources referenced
are also accessible to those using screen readers and synthesized speech.

So, if you have not already checked it out, I hope you do soon.

Sylvie Kashdan, M.A.
Instructor/Curriculum Coordinator
KAIZEN PROGRAM for New English Learners with Visual Limitations
810-A Hiawatha Place South
Seattle, WA  98144, U.S.A.
phone:  (206) 784-5619
email:  kaizen at literacyworks.org
web:  http://www.nwlincs.org/kaizen/

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Subject: [NYCoRE] TEACHERS: SUPPORT MAY 1st WALKOUTS

For any educators looking for resources to support student
immigration walkouts, the NYCoRE curriculum "NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL" is
available as a free download at http://www.nycore.org/
immigrantrights.html.

This curriculum was created last year as a response to student
organizing efforts.  The information on the protest and walkouts are
dated, but the curricular resources are still very usable.

?
1) The No Human Is Illegal Resource Guide: This guide is for
educators to take on the important issues that teachers and students
have been tackling in their activism INSIDE the classroom. We must
not let our sense of civic duty to engage these critical issues begin
once the school day is over?we must weave them into our teaching and
learning. This resource can be best utilized online as a web
resource. The links and topics will be relevant long past the next
few marches and protests. It is organized into the following three
sections and we encourage teachers to join us in fulfilling each goal:
Let us join voices as teachers, students, and community members to
oppose this anti-immigrant, anti-human legislation! As teachers we
can do so in the classroom and in the streets!
For questions about the demonstration:

info at nycore.org

Download No Human is Illegal - Click here for PDF or Word Doc
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No Human is Illegal!

HR 4437, the controversial immigration bill that has been hotly
contested by Congressman and the American public alike?is affecting
students? lives all across the nation. Whether they are marching in
protest or conversing with friends, we have seen students taking
center stage during the debates over the status of immigrants in this
country. How can educators engage their students in these critical
issues in the classroom? How can we serve as the liaison between
students and the mixed messages the media and politicians are
sending? Most importantly, how can we support our students?
initiative to make their voices heard locally and nationally? The
debate over immigrant rights in the United States, the supposed
?land of the free and home of the brave?, will continue to
increase in intensity and will peak on May 1st ? with the Great
American Boycott. We offer this curricular resource to educators, as
a guide to discussing the complex issues surrounding the immigration
debate and the decision to protest with their students. The topics
touched on in this guide and in the debate at large, touch on
economic, historic, political, national, and emotional themes. We
encourage and support educators everywhere to have the courage to
bring these concepts from the streets into the classroom and then
back onto the streets?united as teacher and student activists in the
struggle for human rights for all humans? because, no human is
illegal!

?Ning?n Ser Humano es Ilegal!

HR 4437, el proyecto de ley sobre la inmigraci?n que ha sido debatido
furiosamente tanto por miembros del Congreso como el p?blico
Americano?est? afectando la vida de estudiantes por todas partes de
la naci?n. Ya sea en manifestaciones o conversaciones con amigos,
hemos visto estudiantes ubic?ndose en el medio del debate acerca del
estatus de inmigrantes en este pa?s. ?C?mo es que educadores puedan
envolver sus estudiantes en estos temas cr?ticos dentro del sal?n de
clase? ?C?mo podemos ser un fuerte vinculo entre nuestros
estudiantes y los mensajes confusos que emiten los pol?ticos y los
medios de comunicaci?n? Y aun m?s importante, ?c?mo podemos apoyar
iniciativas estudiantiles de levantar sus voces localmente y a escala
nacional? El debate sobre los derechos de inmigrantes en los Estados
Unidos, la supuesta ?tierra de los libres, y hogar de los
valientes?, continuar? a crecer y tendr? su cima el 1 de mayo?
con el Gran Paro Americano. Ofrecemos este recurso curricular a
educadores como gu?a para di?logos sobre estos temas complicados
trat?ndose del debate sobre la inmigraci?n y la decisi?n de
manifestar sobre ellos. Los temas incluidos en este gu?a en el debate
nacional incluyen temas de la econom?a, historia, pol?tica, naci?n,
u emoci?n?animamos y apoyamos educadores en todas partes que
traigan estos temas de la calle al sal?n?unidos como activistas
educadores y estudiantiles en la lucha para derechos humanos para
todos los humanos?porque, ?ning?n ser humano es ilegal!

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For any educators looking for resources to support student immigration
walkouts, the NYCoRE curriculum "NO HUMAN IS ILLEGAL" is available as a free
download at http://www.nycore.org/immigrantrights.html.

This curriculum was created last year as a response to student organizing
efforts.  The information on the protest and walkouts are dated, but the
curricular resources are still very usable.

1) The No Human Is Illegal Resource Guide: This guide is for educators to
take on the important issues that teachers and students have been tackling
in their activism INSIDE the classroom. We must not let our sense of civic
duty to engage these critical issues begin once the school day is over?we
must weave them into our teaching and learning. This resource can be best
utilized online as a web resource. The links and topics will be relevant
long past the next few marches and protests. It is organized into the
following three sections and we encourage teachers to join us in fulfilling
each goal:
Let us join voices as teachers, students, and community members to oppose
this anti-immigrant, anti-human legislation! As teachers we can do so in the
classroom and in the streets!
For questions about the demonstration:

info at nycore.org

Download No Human is Illegal - Click here for PDF or Word Doc
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

No Human is Illegal!

HR 4437, the controversial immigration bill that has been hotly contested by
Congressman and the American public alike?is affecting students? lives all
across the nation. Whether they are marching in protest or conversing with
friends, we have seen students taking center stage during the debates over
the status of immigrants in this country. How can educators engage their
students in these critical issues in the classroom? How can we serve as the
liaison between students and the mixed messages the media and politicians
are sending? Most importantly, how can we support our students? initiative
to make their voices heard locally and nationally? The debate over immigrant
rights in the United States, the supposed ?land of the free and home of the
brave?, will continue to increase in intensity and will peak on May 1st ?
with the Great American Boycott. We offer this curricular resource to
educators, as a guide to discussing the complex issues surrounding the
immigration debate and the decision to protest with their students. The
topics touched on in this guide and in the debate at large, touch on
economic, historic, political, national, and emotional themes. We encourage
and support educators everywhere to have the courage to bring these concepts
from the streets into the classroom and then back onto the streets?united as
teacher and student activists in the struggle for human rights for all
humans? because, no human is illegal!

?Ning?n Ser Humano es Ilegal!

HR 4437, el proyecto de ley sobre la inmigraci?n que ha sido debatido
furiosamente tanto por miembros del Congreso como el p?blico Americano?est?
afectando la vida de estudiantes por todas partes de la naci?n. Ya sea en
manifestaciones o conversaciones con amigos, hemos visto estudiantes
ubic?ndose en el medio del debate acerca del estatus de inmigrantes en este
pa?s. ?C?mo es que educadores puedan envolver sus estudiantes en estos temas
cr?ticos dentro del sal?n de clase? ?C?mo podemos ser un fuerte vinculo
entre nuestros estudiantes y los mensajes confusos que emiten los pol?ticos
y los medios de comunicaci?n? Y aun m?s importante, ?c?mo podemos apoyar
iniciativas estudiantiles de levantar sus voces localmente y a escala
nacional? El debate sobre los derechos de inmigrantes en los Estados Unidos,
la supuesta ?tierra de los libres, y hogar de los valientes?, continuar? a
crecer y tendr? su cima el 1 de mayo?con el Gran Paro Americano. Ofrecemos
este recurso curricular a educadores como gu?a para di?logos sobre estos
temas complicados trat?ndose del debate sobre la inmigraci?n y la decisi?n
de manifestar sobre ellos. Los temas incluidos en este gu?a en el debate
nacional incluyen temas de la econom?a, historia, pol?tica, naci?n, u
emoci?n?animamos y apoyamos educadores en todas partes que traigan estos
temas de la calle al sal?n?unidos como activistas educadores y estudiantiles
en la lucha para derechos humanos para todos los humanos?porque, ?ning?n ser
humano es ilegal!

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