[AAACE-NLA] Re: AAACE-NLA Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

Tue Dec 13 14:07:46 EST 2005

You should check  to see if special accomodations for his limitations would be possible.  That is can he take the GED test orally?  We had a student who had Muscular Dystrophy, and she was going to have a scribe because she could not use her hands.  
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  I have a student in his fifties who is wanting very badly to get his GED.  However, he has gotten a late start - plus has many obstacles to overcome.  He has dyslexia and had a head injury which effects his memory somewhat.  He does great on his tests if it is given orally, but when he has to read the questions, etc. he doesn't do so well.  He is progressing nicely in math and seems to do much better with numbers than letters.  If any of you have any ideas as to how to help this man and give hime the hope, I feel he deserves, please let me know. Thanks.  Linda

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Today's Topics:

   1.  cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED (ylerew at aol.com)
   2. Re:  cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED (David Rosen)
   3. Re:  cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED (Barbara Garner)

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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:04:08 -0500
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Subject: [AAACE-NLA] cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED
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Hello all,
I wonder if any of you could lead me to any good studies that show a 
cost-benefit analysis of AEL or GED or ESL for adults.  Of course, I am 
especially interested to see any studies that do show a benefit.  I am 
currently taking a Microeconomics of Education class and all the 
made-up samples of the cost-benefit of AEL or GED show these programs 
not to be cost effective.  But I am wondering what real data is out 
there.
Thanks
Yvonne Lerew

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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:31:37 -0500
From: David Rosen <DJRosen at theworld.com>
Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED
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Hello Yvonne,

On Dec 12, 2005, at 6:04 PM, you wrote:
> I wonder if any of you could lead me to any good studies that show  
> a cost-benefit analysis of AEL or GED or ESL for adults.  Of  
> course, I am especially interested to see any studies that do show  
> a benefit.  I am currently taking a Microeconomics of Education  
> class and all the made-up samples of the cost-benefit of AEL or GED  
> show these programs not to be cost effective.  But I am wondering  
> what real data is out there.

Cost benefit to whom? The student, the society, community, government?

  If you are interested in the earnings benefits to GED holders, then  
look at John Tyler's research.  Start with

    http://wiki.literacytent.org/index.php/GED_Research

or

    http://www.ncsall.net/index.php?id=61

If you are looking at return on investment to employers who support  
workplace basic skills classes, look at

    http://www.nald.ca/fulltext/economic/p1.htm

or

    http://www.conferenceboard.ca/education/reports/pdfs/Skills_Profits.pdf

All the best,

David J. Rosen
DJRosen at theworld.com

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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:12:54 -0600 (CST)
From: Barbara Garner <b.garner4 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED
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Yvonne, do you mean opportunity cost (money spent or not earned while you're 
taking the course) vs the increased income afterwards as a result of increased 
income because of higher educational level?
That's what we're supposed to think (if we are rational economic actors) about 
when we choose, as individuals, whether to attend school or not.
John Tyler has studied the economic impact of the GED on individuals and much of 
his work can be found on the ncsall web site, http://www.ncsall.net/?id=652#tyler
A recent study of the economic impact of the GED on ex-offenders, raised many 
questions: http://www.ncsall.net/index.php?id=822
His work doesn't look at the opportunity costs, however.

Or do you mean a more societal look: the cost to society of providing a program 
and the resultant benefit to society in terms of less dependence on social 
programs, etc., by the attendees?
I'm not familiar with these; can you share information on any of them you have 
reviewed?
Barb Garner
Editor, Focus on Basics

From: ylerew at aol.com
Date: Mon Dec 12 17:04:08 CST 2005
To: aaace-nla at lists.literacytent.org
Subject: [AAACE-NLA] cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED

Hello all,
I wonder if any of you could lead me to any good studies that show a 
cost-benefit analysis of AEL or GED or ESL for adults.  Of course, I am 
especially interested to see any studies that do show a benefit.  I am 
currently taking a Microeconomics of Education class and all the 
made-up samples of the cost-benefit of AEL or GED show these programs 
not to be cost effective.  But I am wondering what real data is out 
there.
Thanks
Yvonne Lerew
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