[AAACE-NLA] Re: AAACE-NLA Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16

Tue Dec 13 13:40:02 EST 2005

Linda---

If his diagnosis specifically calls for it, he could apply for Speical
Accommodations on the GED tests and use the audiocassette version of the
tests (plus other accommodations). If you would like to discuss this
further, contact me off-list.

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I have a student in his fifties who is wanting very badly to get his GED.
However, he has gotten a late start - plus has many obstacles to overcome.
He has dyslexia and had a head injury which effects his memory somewhat.  He
does great on his tests if it is given orally, but when he has to read the
questions, etc. he doesn't do so well.  He is progressing nicely in math and
seems to do much better with numbers than letters.  If any of you have any
ideas as to how to help this man and give hime the hope, I feel he deserves,
please let me know. Thanks.  Linda

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   1.  cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED ( ylerew at aol.com
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   2. Re:  cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED (David Rosen)

   3. Re:  cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED (Barbara Garner)

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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:04:08 -0500

From:  ylerew at aol.com <mailto:ylerew%40aol.com> 

Subject: [AAACE-NLA] cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED

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Hello all,

I wonder if any of you could lead me to any good studies that show a 

cost-benefit analysis of AEL or GED or ESL for adults.  Of course, I am 

especially interested to see any studies that do show a benefit.  I am 

currently taking a Microeconomics of Education class and all the 

made-up samples of the cost-benefit of AEL or GED show these programs 

not to be cost effective.  But I am wondering what real data is out 

there.

Thanks

Yvonne Lerew

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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:31:37 -0500

From: David Rosen < DJRosen at theworld.com <mailto:DJRosen%40theworld.com> >

Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED

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Hello Yvonne,

On Dec 12, 2005, at 6:04 PM, you wrote:

> I wonder if any of you could lead me to any good studies that show  

> a cost-benefit analysis of AEL or GED or ESL for adults.  Of  

> course, I am especially interested to see any studies that do show  

> a benefit.  I am currently taking a Microeconomics of Education  

> class and all the made-up samples of the cost-benefit of AEL or GED  

> show these programs not to be cost effective.  But I am wondering  

> what real data is out there.

Cost benefit to whom? The student, the society, community, government?

  If you are interested in the earnings benefits to GED holders, then  

look at John Tyler's research.  Start with

     http://wiki.literacytent.org/index.php/GED_Research
<http://wiki.literacytent.org/index.php/GED_Research> 

or

     http://www.ncsall.net/index.php?id=61
<http://www.ncsall.net/index.php?id=61> 

If you are looking at return on investment to employers who support  

workplace basic skills classes, look at

     http://www.nald.ca/fulltext/economic/p1.htm
<http://www.nald.ca/fulltext/economic/p1.htm> 

or

     http://www.conferenceboard.ca/education/reports/pdfs/Skills_Profits.pdf
<http://www.conferenceboard.ca/education/reports/pdfs/Skills_Profits.pdf> 

All the best,

David J. Rosen

DJRosen at theworld.com <mailto:DJRosen%40theworld.com> 

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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:12:54 -0600 (CST)

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Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED

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Yvonne, do you mean opportunity cost (money spent or not earned while you're

taking the course) vs the increased income afterwards as a result of
increased 

income because of higher educational level?

That's what we're supposed to think (if we are rational economic actors)
about 

when we choose, as individuals, whether to attend school or not.

John Tyler has studied the economic impact of the GED on individuals and
much of 

his work can be found on the ncsall web site,
http://www.ncsall.net/?id=652#tyler <http://www.ncsall.net/?id=652#tyler> 

A recent study of the economic impact of the GED on ex-offenders, raised
many 

questions:  http://www.ncsall.net/index.php?id=822
<http://www.ncsall.net/index.php?id=822> 

His work doesn't look at the opportunity costs, however.

Or do you mean a more societal look: the cost to society of providing a
program 

and the resultant benefit to society in terms of less dependence on social 

programs, etc., by the attendees?

I'm not familiar with these; can you share information on any of them you
have 

reviewed?

Barb Garner

Editor, Focus on Basics

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Date: Mon Dec 12 17:04:08 CST 2005

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Subject: [AAACE-NLA] cost-benefit of AEL/ESL/GED

Hello all,

I wonder if any of you could lead me to any good studies that show a 

cost-benefit analysis of AEL or GED or ESL for adults.  Of course, I am 

especially interested to see any studies that do show a benefit.  I am 

currently taking a Microeconomics of Education class and all the 

made-up samples of the cost-benefit of AEL or GED show these programs 

not to be cost effective.  But I am wondering what real data is out 

there.

Thanks

Yvonne Lerew

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