[AAACE-NLA] RE: AAACE-NLA Digest, Vol 24, Issue 40
Pillman, Heather
HPILLMA at pnm.com
Fri May 27 09:59:50 EDT 2005
I don't usually post, but felt compelled to today after reading all of your emails. Illegal immigrants in Mexico is a hot topic where I live. I'm in the great border state of New Mexico. Illegal immigrants from Mexico are taking the jobs that no one else wants. Here in NM the most common is harvesting the green chile crops for $.14 a barrel with no benefits, no health insurance, etc. I think we ought to be more worried about the major companies in the US outsourcing jobs to China, India, etc. for cheap labor. My dad lost his job in a semiconductor plant because the American management sent his job overseas, not because an illegal immigrant came in and took it.
Someone asked if we see the same anger towards illegal Canadian immigrants. I don't think so. They're aren't that many illegal Canadian immigrants in this country. Have you been to Mexico recently? It's a very poor country with a corrupt police force and government, in many cases. Have you been to Canada recently?
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1. Re: Fw: No Child L.B, but Many Adults (CALL4Literacy at aol.com)
2. RE: Fw: No Child L.B, but Many Adults (Tim Mills)
3. RE: Fw: No Child L.B, but Many Adults (Cochran, Judith)
4. RE: Fw: No Child L.B, but Many Adults/Illegal immagrants
(AWilder106 at aol.com)
5. Adminstrators as teachers (Debbie Yoho)
6. Pennsylvania in the Media (David Rosen)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:53:57 EDT
From: CALL4Literacy at aol.com
Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] Fw: No Child L.B, but Many Adults
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You know...I would really be in favor of a reasonable policy that the U.S.
government has for stopping immigrants who attempt to come to the U.S.
illegally...except...
1. There really is no such a policy...at least...not in practice. We ALLOW
people to cross the border from Mexico into the U.S. so that U.S. companies
can save money on labor. We know that thousands of employers knowingly hire
people who come to the U.S. "illegally." If you haven't seen evidence of
this, you're not paying attention. Before, it was a border phenomenon. Now,
when I have dinner in Alexandria, VA, I see evidence of the great movement of
undocumented immigrants who take low wage jobs all across the U.S.
Who wouldn't notice this?
2, The current administration is playing both sides of this issue. They
want folks to believe that immigrants are taking away jobs. The truth is,
these workers do the jobs no one else wants to do, get paid worse than minimum
wages, pay taxes, are hesitant to use the health and human services that other
use, don't know how to access services, get cheated out of their benefits,
and often live under poor conditions.
3. For a country that is supposed to be big on national
security...well...let's move on. It just means that...we are letting this happen.
4. I have to ask, is the same anger that is directed at those who pass
illegally from the U.S./Mexican border also directed at illegal crossings at the
U.S./Canadian border?
I doubt it.
5. Regarding licences for non-U.S. citizens. Come visit me in San Diego.
There are thousands of folks who are not U.S. citizens or legal residents,
driving the roads...without licenses. Do we want to generate revenue? Do we
want people to know our driving laws? Do we want to know who's driving on the
roads? Or do we just want to pretend that this is not happening? If we are
going to let people cross the border for jobs, we might as well make them
drive the streets legally. And we might as well provide the educational
services that will help them contribute to the national community as workers,
parents, and, well, residents...
6. And, finally, for anyone who takes offense to my
recommendations....hey...I'm on your side. Show me a policy that we are serious about, and I'll
support it. Right now, it's all mirrors and hypocrisy. Stop picking on the
immigrants and, really, use your energy to let the U.S. government know that our
national security policy is a sham.
Jose
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David and others,
I'm interested to know if there is a generally accepted feeling on the
list serv
about illegal immigrants, meaning: provision of services, paying taxes,
guest
worker status, driving licenses, children's schooling, medical care,
and any
other issues I haven't thought about. The topic is usually addressed
in a
cursory fashion here,and on other list servs, except for Andres who
lives in El
Paso--this is my memory at least.
There is a really sad story on the front page of the Times (NYTIMES)
this
morning about Mexican immigrants and one immigrant family in particular.
Thanks.
Andrea
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:58:14 -0500
From: "Tim Mills" <learncnt at gwtc.net>
Subject: RE: [AAACE-NLA] Fw: No Child L.B, but Many Adults
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Your point is well taken, Andres. I agree with your point made about the
economy. The reservations of South Dakota just wish there were some jobs
period. Republican administrations have historically been very hard on the
funding for the BIA. As near as I can tell president bush has had a free
hand to run this country for the last 6 years. Do you realize that President
Bush has not vetoed one piece of legislation since becoming president? I'm
hoping all the effort that we have put forth to have our cause heard is not
falling on deaf ears. With both houses and the presidency controlled by one
party I don't see much compromise going on. Keep the faith!!!!
Tim Mills
Sinte Gleska University
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Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] Fw: No Child L.B, but Many Adults
In El Paso I work with migrant workers. We do not consider people legal
or illegal. They come here to work. We eat letuce, drink wine, eat
beef, fish pork, fruit, cheese, oranges and everything else. Nobody
complains about the food that they eat nor we wonder where it came
from. Nobody complains about the gardeners, cooks, construction
workers, etc. However, people are quick to complain about "illegals"
using health services and getting drivers' licenses, etc. Is is a bunch
on nonesense xenophobia promoted by the government to put the blame on
someone for a sucky economy. This is a recurring theme all over the
world when economies are not doing well. People blame the wretched, the
poor, the hungry, and the defenseless. It is always easier to blame
them if they have a different skin color and speak a different
language. If we look at the immigrants, we may not notice that the
people at the top of the hill just upgraded to a 2006 12 cilinder
mercedes a few hummers and a ferrari and they extended their backyard
to raise horses with their tax break.
Andres
"They say that Mexicans come to take our jobs away.
You mean they come on horses with guns and say:
"Ese Gringo, Gime you job!"
Jimmy Santiago Baca
Please take a look at my artwork: www.geocities.com/andresmuro/art.html
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Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:30:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] Fw: No Child L.B, but Many Adults
David and others,
I'm interested to know if there is a generally accepted feeling on the
list serv
about illegal immigrants, meaning: provision of services, paying taxes,
guest
worker status, driving licenses, children's schooling, medical care,
and any
other issues I haven't thought about. The topic is usually addressed
in a
cursory fashion here,and on other list servs, except for Andres who
lives in El
Paso--this is my memory at least.
There is a really sad story on the front page of the Times (NYTIMES)
this
morning about Mexican immigrants and one immigrant family in particular.
Thanks.
Andrea
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:50:27 -0500
From: "Cochran, Judith" <CochranJu at msx.umsl.edu>
Subject: RE: [AAACE-NLA] Fw: No Child L.B, but Many Adults
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I should address the tax break first as the top 5% of the American
citizens pay 50% of the taxes. Although I am not one of the 5%, I don't
want to take away any tax breaks for them or the rest of us. The tax
break has resulted in many businesses being able to expand and employ
more workers.
As for illegal aliens who may or may not be migrant workers, I am
forming my statement having lived and taught Spanish speakers in rural
and urban Colorado, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. The
language differences are not so much the problem to me (although it does
slow down hospital services when translators have to be located and
schools are frequently overwhelmed) as much as the inability to plan and
pay for the needed services for people who arrive unexpectedly.
Immigrants in France and other countries are given visas, monitored and
even provided free language classes as in Sweden. We seem to have too
large a number for us to even start to be effective in locating the
49,000,000 illegals in this country...who don't get a tax break as they
don't pay taxes for the services the American citizens provide. We truly
are the land of the brave and the free...but at what cost to the rest of
us?
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Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:44 AM
To: aaace-nla at lists.literacytent.org
Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] Fw: No Child L.B, but Many Adults
In El Paso I work with migrant workers. We do not consider people legal
or illegal. They come here to work. We eat letuce, drink wine, eat
beef, fish pork, fruit, cheese, oranges and everything else. Nobody
complains about the food that they eat nor we wonder where it came
from. Nobody complains about the gardeners, cooks, construction
workers, etc. However, people are quick to complain about "illegals"
using health services and getting drivers' licenses, etc. Is is a bunch
on nonesense xenophobia promoted by the government to put the blame on
someone for a sucky economy. This is a recurring theme all over the
world when economies are not doing well. People blame the wretched, the
poor, the hungry, and the defenseless. It is always easier to blame
them if they have a different skin color and speak a different
language. If we look at the immigrants, we may not notice that the
people at the top of the hill just upgraded to a 2006 12 cilinder
mercedes a few hummers and a ferrari and they extended their backyard
to raise horses with their tax break.
Andres
"They say that Mexicans come to take our jobs away.
You mean they come on horses with guns and say:
"Ese Gringo, Gime you job!"
Jimmy Santiago Baca
Please take a look at my artwork: www.geocities.com/andresmuro/art.html
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From: AWilder106 at aol.com
To: National Literacy Advocacy List sp onsored by AAACE
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Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:30:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] Fw: No Child L.B, but Many Adults
David and others,
I'm interested to know if there is a generally accepted feeling on the
list serv
about illegal immigrants, meaning: provision of services, paying taxes,
guest
worker status, driving licenses, children's schooling, medical care,
and any
other issues I haven't thought about. The topic is usually addressed
in a
cursory fashion here,and on other list servs, except for Andres who
lives in El
Paso--this is my memory at least.
There is a really sad story on the front page of the Times (NYTIMES)
this
morning about Mexican immigrants and one immigrant family in particular.
Thanks.
Andrea
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:37:25 -0400
From: AWilder106 at aol.com
Subject: RE: [AAACE-NLA] Fw: No Child L.B, but Many Adults/Illegal
immagrants
To: aaace-nla at lists.literacytent.org (National Literacy Advocacy List
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The whole problem is baffling to me, so I had to ask.
We have this whole homeland security thing with a porous border to our south.
We accept people's labor and taxes and then they can't be considered for citizenship. Of course they should have English classes.
It is simply an untenable, unethical, unsafe and nonsensical situation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a drought getting worse in Mexico? Isn't that partly fueling the exodus?
Andrea
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:39:36 -0400
From: "Debbie Yoho" <dwyoho at earthlink.net>
Subject: [AAACE-NLA] Adminstrators as teachers
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>From Bob Bickerton:
"By the way, it's posts like yours that make me yearn again for the
classroom. The administrative stuff some of us do can be quite important --
even helpful to teachers and students when we do it right -- but it just
isn't as intrinsically rewarding. Que lastima!"
I have always thought that administrators at all levels should teach at
least part of the day, at least once in a while. I almost wrote that I'm
lucky to be able to do that, but luck has nothing to do with. One has to
make it a priority and just do it.
I've added "Pygmalion in the Classroom" to my reading stack. It sounds like
something I read in undergrad teacher prep, and worth revisiting.
For the Cause of Literacy for All! Debbie
Deborah W. Yoho
Co-moderator, NIFL-Health Listserv
Executive Director, Greater Columbia Literacy Council
Past President, SC Adult Literacy Educators
2728 Devine Street, Columbia, SC 29205
803-765-2555 Fax 803-799-8417 dwyoho at earthlink.net
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:38:29 -0400
From: David Rosen <DJRosen at theworld.com>
Subject: [AAACE-NLA] Pennsylvania in the Media
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AAACE-NLA Colleagues,
VALUE Executive Director, Marty Finsterbusch, decries the proposed 75%
cut of federal adult literacy education funds to Pennsylvania. Read
about this on the WGAL, Channel 8, station Web page.
http://www.thewgalchannel.com/learningmatters/4537530/detail.html
David J. Rosen
Adult Literacy Advocate
DJRosen at theworld.com
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