[BULK] - Re: [AAACE-NLA] Public Understanding of Literacy plu s grade level
Brown, Charlene
cbrown5 at jefferson.k12.ky.us
Wed Jul 21 16:50:06 EDT 2004
I agree. We need a champion from outside the field to advocate for improved
educational attainment for all ages.
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From: French, Allan [mailto:afrench at sccd.ctc.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 10:36 AM
To: National Literacy Advocacy List sponsored by AAACE
Subject: RE: [BULK] - Re: [AAACE-NLA] Public Understanding of Literacy plus
grade level
With all due respect to the articulators of these positions, I am afraid
that all this talk of the meaning of literacy and grade-level equivalents
and who to blame is, in effect, nothing more than just spinning our wheels!
We are constantly being asked to do more just so we can hope to maintain the
SAME funding levels! What we need to strive for is a change in the road
surface we are driving on. We need to change the agenda of the public
debate on education IN GENERAL. As Tom Sticht often points out, the AELS
had its start in the 1960s under the Johnson administration. That beginning
did not happen in isolation. It was part of the Great Society which had so
many other facets, and could be accepted and funded because Johnson was able
to set the agenda for public discussion.
This latter is very different now. Ever since 1980, the right wing has set
the agenda and moderates (which I consider myself to be) and liberals have
only been willing or able to respond defensively. Of course the right wing
is not homogenous, but different parts of it have been able to get their
voices and ideas across very effectively. Some talk of a cultural war in
which public schools and teachers are considered the enemy. When many
school boards have to consider whether creationism is to be given the same
stress as evolution, then we know that the cultural right is having an
effective impact. What is most prominent is the success at getting most
people to insist on lower taxes without any consideration of the
relationship between taxes and services. The movement to vouchers and home
schooling and support for faith-based educational institutions are other
indications that the right wing has succeeded in pursuading the public not
to be concerned about good education for all, and for all to be prepared for
the 21st century, and to be, at minimum, quiescent towards the movement for
an education that is ideologically correct and which favors those who have
the most to spend for their own children.
We need to change the terms of this debate. We need to find public figures
who will eloquently and forcefully take on the above positions and show the
public a vision of America where high quality public education for all is
not only vitally important but worth more local and federal funding. ONLY
after this debate is changed can we think realistically of getting public
officials and other funders to provide more money for Adult Basic Education,
and with accountability measures that are truly useful and complementary to
instruction and learning.
Allan French
ESL Instructor and Faculty Coordinator for Assessment
South Seattle Community College
afrench at sccd.ctc.edu <mailto:afrench at sccd.ctc.edu>
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From: AndresMuro at aol.com [mailto:AndresMuro at aol.com]
Sent: Tue 7/20/2004 8:39 PM
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Subject: [BULK] - Re: [AAACE-NLA] Public Understanding of Literacy plus
grade level
I am not sure that I know what grade levels mean, but I tell you all a story
that has emerged in every single community. A definition of literacy that is
accepted and has been used by EFF is that literacy is having the language
communication skills to be able to fully participate in all aspects of
family, education, vocation and community life.
A long time ago I was discussing with people from NCSAL the characteristics
of some literacy students attending programs in Tennessee (sp?). I remember
that they had obtained the profiles of several students and one was a fifty
something year old woman who had dropped out of school in the 8th grade,
worked all her life, and had two children with college degrees. There were
students with similar profiles. By the definition of EFF, ie, participation
in various aspects of community life, these people were very literate. So,
what does this all mean?
tom has argued that definitions of literacy are alwyas changing. Early in
the 20th century, literacy was established by a person's ability to sign
their name, whereas nowadays, everyone can do this and we don't consider
them literate.
In the 70s Freire argued, and we talked about this, that literacy was an
instrument to make capitalism more productive. IE. we can sell more tvs, if
people can read advertisements.
Nowadays, I feel that literacy eliminates the need for people to give out
information that can be disseminated through various media. So, it is
cheaper to have a brochure about hypertension in the doctors office than to
have a human being explaining symptoms to patients. This example applies to
every aspect of life.
What does this mean? To me, it implies that the fiftysomething year old
woman who worked all her life and had sent her children to college, and may
have been considered literate several years ago, has stopped being literate
in a certain context, ie, the health care world. Problem is that the demand
for us to become more and more literate to save monies, goes against our
cultural characteristics, and the literacy demand is changing faster than we
can adapt to it.
I have argued that we are mostly an oral society. Even though we can read,
we procure a lot of information orally, and we need human contact to explain
and clarify things for us. We need the bus driver to tell us where to put
the money the first time, and the subway dude to show us how to purchase a
subway fare the first time. We also need help operating the self serving
cashiers at grocery stores, etc. Many of us can navigate these environments
with our skills and a little bit of human contact. However, some contexts,
especially the health care context, has move towards a very high literacy
requirements w/o regards for people to be able to catch up with it.
Anyways, sorry that I shifted topics and rambled all over.
Andres
In a message dated 7/20/2004 7:21:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Norene
Peterson" <petersonnh at billings.k12.mt.us> writes:
>The discussion about grade levels has triggered a question from me. So the
public "thinks" it understands grade level, and this is the mode in which we
have been explaining TABE results to our students. However, now in Montana
we are being encouraged not to use grade level terminology when we explain
scores to students. What are the rest of you doing out there? Just curious
-- how are you communicating TABE results to your students? Thanks! NP =)
>
>Norene Peterson
>Adult Education Center
>415 N. 30th
>Billings, MT 59101
>petersonnh at billings.k12.mt.us
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gdemetrion at msn.com
> To: National Literacy Advocacy List sponsored by AAACE
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AAACE-NLA] Public Understanding of Literacy
>
>
> Hi Fran
>
> The Diagnosis Assessment of Reading, which was developed, in part, on the
work of reading specialist Jeanne Chall, is based on a grade 1-12 level. The
vast majority of our students fall within the first few levels with many in
levels 1 and 2. The components of its measurements, word recognition, oral
reading, word meaning, spelling, and silent reading are straight forward and
linked to k-12 as well as adult literacy. What is missing is an
appreciation of the contextual aspects of adult literacy learning as
identified in the new literacy studies, including EFF.
>
> So, in terms of grade level comparison DAR ratings could communicate a
lot. In terms of how adult literacy learners process the realm of print
within the various domains of their lives and how print works as an
intervening variable with a host of other factors is clearly beyond what the
DAR can convey. On a national level EFF gets at some of that, though for
EFF to have the visibility it needs it would have to be accepted much more
extensively than it is as a common standard.
>
> Here's a link to the DAR
http://www.riverpub.com/products/group/dartts/home.html
<http://www.riverpub.com/products/group/dartts/home.html>
>
> George Demetrion
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fran Tracy-Mumford
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:45 AM
> To: aaace-nla at lists.literacytent.org
> Subject: [AAACE-NLA] Public Understanding of Literacy
>
> Advocacy Folks --
>
> I have a question about the NALS definitions and descriptions of a
literacy framework for adult literacy. My question is "what would an
understandable literacy framework look like?" Let me describe the issue as
I see it.
>
> Personally, I find it difficult to convey understanding of the 1990
NALS literacy framework (Levels 1-5) to the public. There is no connection
of the Levels 1-5 to an existing system that the general public understands;
so I believe it is next to impossible to get the public to buy into the fact
that our country has a literacy problem. We saw how Congress dismissed it.
One of the first questions we heard was, where would most high school
graduates be placed.
>
> I want us to get beyond the issue that Tom Sticht has pointed out. Tom
has told us on numerous occasions that the benchmarking system was flawed
Looking beyond the benchmarking process, it seems to me that how literacy
levels are conveyed to the general public in isolation of any framework that
has understanding to them creates a constant stumbling block. If the public
cannot relate meaning/understanding to the framework, then I believe that
Congress will dismiss the 2000 report when it is released in the same way
they dismissed the 1990 report.
>
> I know that we in adult education have attempted to divorce ourselves
from the K-12 framework, but the general public understands skills acquision
by "grade levels," "high school diploma," "AA degree," "Bachelors degree"
and "Advanced Degree". The census gathers and reports this information and
we use it to describe who is eligible for our programs. Could we not
provide some sense of equivalence in our definitions/descriptions? We could
say, "A person who has high school skills would usually fit this category."
Would this help or hurt the field? Would it help or hurt understanding and
ultimate acceptance beyond the field?
>
> Dr. Fran Tracy-Mumford
> State Director of Adult Education
> DE
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